What are you spinning?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Most old music didn't match up to old favorites. There's a lot of new music out there and some of it is really good. It's just a matter of finding what you like. In the meantime, like always, you have to wade through a bunch of stuff that doesn't rate to find the gems. And of course one person's gems are another person's garbage.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Exactly. There's been a ton of trash music since the beginning of time. People have always had to actually LOOK for good, current music. It doesn't just grow on trees.

Sorry gents, but I'm not accepting a browbeating here

All art is rightfully in the mind of the beholder, and for many of us... maybe we're just not feeling the same magic from this new era of music, across several genres

I'm still waiting for the next truly dangerous rock n roll band

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Sorry gents, but I'm not accepting a browbeating here

All art is rightfully in the mind of the beholder, and for many of us... maybe we're just not feeling the same magic from this new era of music, across several genres

I'm still waiting for the next truly dangerous rock n roll band

If GN'R or Nirvana came about today, neither would be regarded as 'dangerous'; Rock n roll itself is no longer considered dangerous. No one buys albums anymore, or even mp3s, and at 30% of a cent per Pandora stream, the 'next, most dangerous band' couldn't make bail for the early offenses at those wages, and that was that.


no, seriously...major labels shy away from the "actually dangerous with something to say" and are drawn to the more stable/consistent behavior of "pretending to be dangerous with nothing to say" (Godsmack/Nickleback/Volbeat/FFDP/etc).

They hate bands who are volatile and who may either self implode or cause a riot, seemingly at the flip of the coin..

Those days are over. But dangerous or not, those two bands had great songs and made great albums.

There are still bands who have great songs and make great albums. I listed a few above.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

If GN'R or Nirvana came about today, neither would be regarded as 'dangerous'; Rock n roll itself is no longer considered dangerous. No one buys albums anymore, or even mp3s, and at 30% of a cent per Pandora stream, the 'next, most dangerous band' couldn't make bail for the early offenses at those wages, and that was that.


no, seriously...major labels shy away from the "actually dangerous with something to say" and are drawn to the more stable/consistent behavior of "pretending to be dangerous with nothing to say" (Godsmack/Nickleback/Volbeat/FFDP/etc).

They hate bands who are volatile and who may either self implode or cause a riot, seemingly at the flip of the coin..

Those days are over. But dangerous or not, those two bands had great songs and made great albums.

There are still bands who have great songs and make great albums. I listed a few above.

The last great dangerous group that had popular impact in a major country was BiS. They just weren't known much in the English speaking world.

It is not their lyrics but what they did. They attacked the huge chart topping idol industry, they trolled their fans, their videos sometimes had blood, nudity, and horrific imagery, they did nude photo shoots, they were highly varied in their sound, they collaborated with a noise rock band, and at the height of their popularity they broke up and then did a concert the very next day as ex-BiS.

Their live shows could devolve into chaos as they played the same song over and over again:

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

The last great dangerous group that had popular impact in a major country was BiS. They just weren't known much in the English speaking world.

It is not their lyrics but what they did. They attacked the huge chart topping idol industry, they trolled their fans, their videos sometimes had blood, nudity, and horrific imagery, they did nude photo shoots, they were highly varied in their sound, they collaborated with a noise rock band, and at the height of their popularity they broke up and then did a concert the very next day as ex-BiS.

Their live shows could devolve into chaos as they played the same song over and over again:

Neil Young did all that first, and he was actually able to create timeless music in the process.

Well, except for the nude photo shoots. Neil never did that.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Neil Young did all that first, and he was actually able to create timeless music in the process.

Well, except for the nude photo shoots. Neil never did that.

Yes, but he did it in a genre that was known for being rebellious. Not in a genre that was known for being completely corporate controlled including contractual obligations for purity, wholesomeness, and chastity* while the idol groups were presented with a wink and a nod as sex objects to their fans.

*Idols are generally salaried employees of their talent agencies not as independent entities. This also means pay tends to be low.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Yes, but he did it in a genre that was known for being rebellious. Not in a genre that was known for being completely corporate controlled including contractual obligations for purity, wholesomeness, and chastity* while the idol groups were presented with a wink and a nod as sex objects to their fans.

*Idols are generally salaried employees of their talent agencies not as independent entities. This also means pay tends to be low.

Fair enough.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

If GN'R or Nirvana came about today, neither would be regarded as 'dangerous'; Rock n roll itself is no longer considered dangerous. No one buys albums anymore, or even mp3s, and at 30% of a cent per Pandora stream, the 'next, most dangerous band' couldn't make bail for the early offenses at those wages, and that was that.


no, seriously...major labels shy away from the "actually dangerous with something to say" and are drawn to the more stable/consistent behavior of "pretending to be dangerous with nothing to say" (Godsmack/Nickleback/Volbeat/FFDP/etc).

They hate bands who are volatile and who may either self implode or cause a riot, seemingly at the flip of the coin..

Those days are over. But dangerous or not, those two bands had great songs and made great albums.

There are still bands who have great songs and make great albums. I listed a few above.

Sure wont be taking a dressing down from some guy your age, either

When you're throwing around the Black Keys as some kind of raucous rebellion, I'd beg to differ... the old days dont have to die, someone just needs to step up

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Sure wont be taking a dressing down from some guy your age, either

When you're throwing around the Black Keys as some kind of raucous rebellion, I'd beg to differ... the old days dont have to die, someone just needs to step up

I don't give a toss about racous rebellion; I just dig good songs and good records.

The list was more about bands with a "classic sound", than about any perception of rebellion (there was more than one band on the list, too).

I leave the 'dangerous rebellion' shit to wrtiers in SPIN and RS who aim their articles at kids who still believe in the ideological myth of "rock as rebellion", if that even exists anymore.

Am I jaded?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I don't give a toss about racous rebellion; I just dig good songs and good records.

The list was more about bands with a "classic sound", than about any perception of rebellion (there was more than one band on the list, too).

I leave the 'dangerous rebellion' shit to wrtiers in SPIN and RS who aim their articles at kids who still believe in the ideological myth of "rock as rebellion", if that even exists anymore.

Am I jaded?

Just how drunk were you last night, Jesus...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Sure wont be taking a dressing down from some guy your age, either

When you're throwing around the Black Keys as some kind of raucous rebellion, I'd beg to differ... the old days dont have to die, someone just needs to step up

I wonder how old you think I actually am?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Did you infer that Nirvana was a "dangerous rock n roll band"?

I absolutely did, what do you disagree with?

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I wonder how old you think I actually am?

Whatever your age may be, I'm not accepting what you guys were trying to sell me earlier

Music, as we all know, is extremely subjective

We can debate it, we can discuss it, but lectures are out of the question... you'll note I didnt come in here shitting on peoples opinions

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I absolutely did, what do you disagree with?



Whatever your age may be, I'm not accepting what you guys were trying to sell me earlier

Music, as we all know, is extremely subjective

We can debate it, we can discuss it, but lectures are out of the question... you'll note I didnt come in here shitting on peoples opinions

I was just pointing out how wrong you are about the death of good music, Gramps.

No one has lectured you or shit on your opinions. What you're experiencing is debate and discussion. I completely agree that music quality is a subjective matter. If you want to stick to the music of your youth, that's fine with me.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I was just pointing out how wrong you are about the death of good music, Gramps.

No one has lectured you or shit on your opinions. What you're experiencing is debate and discussion. I completely agree that music quality is a subjective matter. If you want to stick to the music of your youth, that's fine with me.

HEY **** YOU

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[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I was just pointing out how wrong you are about the death of good music, Gramps.

No one has lectured you or shit on your opinions. What you're experiencing is debate and discussion. I completely agree that music quality is a subjective matter. If you want to stick to the music of your youth, that's fine with me.

Well then, you will REALLY call ME "Gramps"........I just finished listening to (for the 800th time) Steppenwolf's "Monster".

Next up - Gentle Giant "The Power and the Glory".....


Broaden your horizons into the past - it'll do you no harm and might even allow you to understand when "music" was actually "music"


Now - GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Sorry gents, but I'm not accepting a browbeating here

All art is rightfully in the mind of the beholder, and for many of us... maybe we're just not feeling the same magic from this new era of music, across several genres

I'm still waiting for the next truly dangerous rock n roll band

Did you infer that Nirvana was a "dangerous rock n roll band"?