Chiefs Hypothetical Part 1: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II. - Page 4

**Rain Man** · 11-22-2018, 07:47 PM

Okay, we're not trading our franchise quarterback. Let's make that clear.

But if other teams were making us good-faith trade offers, what would be a fair offer? I've done the following to make some estimated trade packages, using the following algorithms.

I went to the NFL Network Top 100 players of last year. Recognizing that it includes some old declining players and at least one player who can't walk very well, and recognizing that Patrick Mahomes II is a young franchise quarterback, I'm assuming that Patrick Mahomes II is worth more than any player on the list, and generally worth much more.

If a team had three players on the list, I packaged those three players into an offer.

If a team had two players on the list, I added their 1st round pick from 2018.

If a team had one or zero players on the list, I packaged future 1st round picks so that the Chiefs would get three players in total.

If a team had more than three players on the list, I put together packages that added players in different scenarios until all of their players were included in a package.

By doing this, I came up with 60 total trade offers. I'll put them up in groups of 10, and your job is to assess whether or not it would be an equal or greater value than our own Patrick Mahomes II.

Important rule: Don't consider this poll as indicating that you would ACCEPT such a trade offer. Because trading Patrick Mahomes II would be insane. Just tell us whether you think those players would add equivalent value to the franchise.

Here are your first ten scenarios.

O.city · 11-23-2018, 09:59 AM

The rams one would be it.

You’d get another young good qb that’s not as talented but is good, and the beat rb in the league, plus the defender that may end up an all timer

njchiefs · 11-23-2018, 10:28 AM

None of the above but here’s the thing. The injury possibility is the great wildcard. All value is lost with a serious injury. This risk is diluted by numbers. So x number of first round picks would spread the value, reduce the risk and thus make some sense.

Best22 · 11-23-2018, 10:30 AM

QB is the most important position on the field. I just can’t give up superior QB play for a great Defensive lineman. Gurley is a better all around back but the impact is marginal.

Yeah, unless we’re literally trading Mahomes for a Lombardi or two, no, not happening

WhiteWhale · 11-23-2018, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Best22

QB is the most important position on the field. I just can’t give up superior QB play for a great Defensive lineman. Gurley is a better all around back but the impact is marginal.

Yeah, unless we’re literally trading Mahomes for a Lombardi or two, no, not happening

I'm not entirely convinced Gurley IS better.

He's featured more heavily in the offense and has better stats.

Gurley has the most yards before contact. Two weeks ago Kareem was #1 after contact. Not sure if he is now, but he was last year as well.

ThaVirus · 11-23-2018, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut

Gurley good but he not kareem. He's not known as a receiver option.

Actually he is.

bowener · 11-23-2018, 10:52 AM

It would legitimately have to be an entire draft that season, then multiple 1sts for several seasons afterward, plus their current starting QB.

Even that would nearly be inexcusable for the Chiefs to accept. You know going into it that their picks will be high since he will continue to slaughter. I think you can only do that if you have what appears to be an incredible talent coming up in the draft as well.

bowener · 11-23-2018, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut

Ram only for Donald and goff. Gurley good but he not kareem. He's not known as a receiver option.

Man, he is actually an incredible receiving option. He has 40+ receptions this season at 10+ yards a reception. He has a 76.8% catch rate.

Kareem has fewer receptions, fewer yards, but more TDs, and a lower catch rate at 74.3%.

For our offense, I would call it a wash on which would be better, but Gurley seems to have the homerun speed that Hunt doesn't quite have.

**RealSNR** · 11-23-2018, 10:59 AM

Somebody should start a poll asking people the equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes I

KChiefs1 · 11-23-2018, 11:01 AM

Only one worth considering is the Rams offer & it’s pretty tasty.

The best RB in the NFL & the best defensive player in the NFL & a young talented QB.

Best22 · 11-23-2018, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Only one worth considering is the Rams offer & it’s pretty tasty.

The best RB in the NFL & the best defensive player in the NFL & a young talented QB.

Nope

Trading Mahomes for anything is automatically disgusting. There’s nothing “appealing” about trading #15

View Poll Results: These packages reflect good trade value for P. Mahomes II. (Check all that apply.)
Bengals - AJ Green + Geno Atkins + Billy Price	1	1.08%
Bills - Lesean McCoy + Micah Hyde + Josh Allen	1	1.08%
Rams - Todd Gurley + Aaron Donald + Jared Goff	44	47.31%
Eagles - Carson Wentz + Zach Ertz + Fletcher Cox	7	7.53%
Ravens - CJ Mosley + Hayden Hurst + Lamar Jackson	0	0%
Lions - Matt Stafford + Darius Slay + Frank Ragnow	0	0%
Patriots - Tom Brady + Rob Gronkowski + Isaiah Wynn	1	1.08%
Jaguars - Calais Campbell + Jalen Ramsey + AJ Bouye	1	1.08%
Saints - Drew Brees + Alvin Kamara + Cameron Jordan	2	2.15%
Falcons - Julio Jones + Matt Ryan + Devonta Freeman	2	2.15%
None of these represent equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.	47	50.54%
I don't know who Patrick Mahomes II is. I've been trapped in a cave for two years.	0	0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll

11-22-2018, 07:47 PM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-652449 VARSITY	Hypothetical Part 1: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II. Okay, we're not trading our franchise quarterback. Let's make that clear. But if other teams were making us good-faith trade offers, what would be a fair offer? I've done the following to make some estimated trade packages, using the following algorithms. I went to the NFL Network Top 100 players of last year. Recognizing that it includes some old declining players and at least one player who can't walk very well, and recognizing that Patrick Mahomes II is a young franchise quarterback, I'm assuming that Patrick Mahomes II is worth more than any player on the list, and generally worth much more. If a team had three players on the list, I packaged those three players into an offer. If a team had two players on the list, I added their 1st round pick from 2018. If a team had one or zero players on the list, I packaged future 1st round picks so that the Chiefs would get three players in total. If a team had more than three players on the list, I put together packages that added players in different scenarios until all of their players were included in a package. By doing this, I came up with 60 total trade offers. I'll put them up in groups of 10, and your job is to assess whether or not it would be an equal or greater value than our own Patrick Mahomes II. Important rule: Don't consider this poll as indicating that you would ACCEPT such a trade offer. Because trading Patrick Mahomes II would be insane. Just tell us whether you think those players would add equivalent value to the franchise. Here are your first ten scenarios.
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11-23-2018, 09:59 AM	#46
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-705936	The rams one would be it. You’d get another young good qb that’s not as talented but is good, and the beat rb in the league, plus the defender that may end up an all timer
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njchiefs Starter Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $7364900	None of the above but here’s the thing. The injury possibility is the great wildcard. All value is lost with a serious injury. This risk is diluted by numbers. So x number of first round picks would spread the value, reduce the risk and thus make some sense.
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Best22 MVP Join Date: May 2016 Location: World Boxing Champs Casino cash: $1890400	QB is the most important position on the field. I just can’t give up superior QB play for a great Defensive lineman. Gurley is a better all around back but the impact is marginal. Yeah, unless we’re literally trading Mahomes for a Lombardi or two, no, not happening
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bowener BAMF! Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $9549897	It would legitimately have to be an entire draft that season, then multiple 1sts for several seasons afterward, plus their current starting QB. Even that would nearly be inexcusable for the Chiefs to accept. You know going into it that their picks will be high since he will continue to slaughter. I think you can only do that if you have what appears to be an incredible talent coming up in the draft as well. __________________ Main Entry: bowe·ner Pronunciation: \ˈbō-nər\ Function: noun Date: circa 2007
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KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	Only one worth considering is the Rams offer & it’s pretty tasty. The best RB in the NFL & the best defensive player in the NFL & a young talented QB. __________________
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