2019 Draft Ranking for Positions

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, taking a CB or S in the 2nd round isn't a "bad year for DB's".

You're kind of contradicting yourself a bit.

Do you believe a draft must be completely bereft of 2nd day talent in order to be weak at a particular position?

It's not a good year to be looking for immediate help. At best you have some guys with the physical tools to be solid CBs upon significant development. Well hell, that's Charvarius Ward and he went undrafted. You can find a half dozen of those every single year.

What determines the 'strength' of a draft class is its top end more than its depth. You can move around within a letter grade based on depth, but what controls the letter grade itself is the top end, notably their ceiling and ability to immediately contribute.

By my eyes that's a C draft for CBs made a C+ by virtue of the depth of the class. It isn't a strong one for CBs at all. And when the top safety in the class is likely Adderley and his quality of competition concerns or CGJ and his likely long-term FS outlook, it's pretty damn hard to say that compares to say the 2010 class with Berry, Earl Thomas and TJ Ward. Your 2nd tier guys (Taylor Mays and Nate Allen) are more akin to the level of prospect you're seeing at safety in this year's draft.

It ain't a truly good DB draft class. It's adequate at best and that adequate is due to depth.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Do you believe a draft must be completely bereft of 2nd day talent in order to be weak at a particular position?

It's not a good year to be looking for immediate help. At best you have some guys with the physical tools to be solid CBs upon significant development. Well hell, that's Charvarius Ward and he went undrafted. You can find a half dozen of those every single year.

What determines the 'strength' of a draft class is its top end more than its depth. You can move around within a letter grade based on depth, but what controls the letter grade itself is the top end, notably their ceiling and ability to immediately contribute.

By my eyes that's a C draft for CBs made a C+ by virtue of the depth of the class. It isn't a strong one for CBs at all. And when the top safety in the class is likely Adderley and his quality of competition concerns or CGJ and his likely long-term FS outlook, it's pretty damn hard to say that compares to say the 2010 class with Berry, Earl Thomas and TJ Ward. Your 2nd tier guys (Taylor Mays and Nate Allen) are more akin to the level of prospect you're seeing at safety in this year's draft.

It ain't a truly good DB draft class. It's adequate at best and that adequate is due to depth.

If that's the case, then this isn't really a great year for anything other than DL, edge, and TE.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If that's the case, then this isn't really a great year for anything other than DL, edge, and TE.

I think it's a good year for OL as well.

I mean damn, how many positions in any class do you expect to be good? DL, Edge, OL and TE is not a small number of available 'strong' groups.

I think that's exactly where the line is drawn. Starting with those groups you have various iterations of the same creatures; position groups that are strong in their depth or just flat out bad. WR and DB is the former, I'd say off-ball linebacker is the latter. I've been saying all along that apart from White and Bush, I don't see a great MLB candidate and outside of Walker and Pratt I don't even see a Sam that stands out. It's a flat out bad class for LBs but it's definitely a below average group for CBs.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think it's a good year for OL as well.

I mean damn, how many positions in any class do you expect to be good? DL, Edge, OL and TE is not a small number of available 'strong' groups.

I think that's exactly where the line is drawn. Starting with those groups you have various iterations of the same creatures; position groups that are strong in their depth or just flat out bad. WR and DB is the former, I'd say off-ball linebacker is the latter. I've been saying all along that apart from White and Bush, I don't see a great MLB candidate and outside of Walker and Pratt I don't even see a Sam that stands out. It's a flat out bad class for LBs but it's definitely a below average group for CBs.

The offensive tackle class is very, very good. There's probably 5 or 6 guys with first round grades.

But we're talking about interior lineman. Bradbury is the only center that anybody has a first round grade on and even then, a lot of sites have him as a 2nd rounder.

At guard, you have the EXACT situation you're talking about with CB's - there's nobody there that's really worth a first and some guys like Jordan and and Deiter are going to get pushed up because of it.

I mean, NFL Rough Draft, who has the highest success rate picking the top 100 the last 3 years, has ZERO interior linemen with a 1st round grade.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offensive tackle class is very, very good. There's probably 5 or 6 guys with first round grades.

But we're talking about interior lineman. Bradbury is the only center that anybody has a first round grade on and even then, a lot of sites have him as a 2nd rounder.

At guard, you have the EXACT situation you're talking about with CB's - there's nobody there that's really worth a first and some guys like Jordan and and Deiter are going to get pushed up because of it.

I mean, NFL Rough Draft, who has the highest success rate picking the top 100 the last 3 years, has ZERO interior linemen with a 1st round grade.

That's fair; I was lumping OL together (as I have DL) into a mass to make for larger groups of players but if you want to break out OT and OG, that's fine.

DL, Edge, OT, TE are all standout groups. I'd put IOL a tick ahead of WR as pretty average for a given year. then I'd put CB and S about neck and neck at below average with QB just a tick after them. Then RB and LB as pretty poor.

DBs are on the backside of the bell curve here, IMO.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's fair; I was lumping OL together (as I have DL) into a mass to make for larger groups of players but if you want to break out OT and OG, that's fine.

DL, Edge, OT, TE are all standout groups. I'd put IOL a tick ahead of WR as pretty average for a given year. then I'd put CB and S about neck and neck at below average with QB just a tick after them. Then RB and LB as pretty poor.

DBs are on the backside of the bell curve here, IMO.

That's fair.

[chiefforlife]

Well I had my heart set on a CB/S in round 1 but this article and much of the other research, mock drafts and articles now have me thinking differently.
Unless we trade up in round 1 (edge/DL/CB), I see Bradbury as a viable even probable option.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

Well I had my heart set on a CB/S in round 1 but this article and much of the other research, mock drafts and articles now have me thinking differently.
Unless we trade up in round 1 (edge/DL/CB), I see Bradbury as a viable even probable option.

I don't think they'd not take any of those players in round 1. Just have to wait and see.

A whole month from the draft? What the ****, why do they have so much time?