2019 Draft Ranking for Positions

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

Not a good year to try for a CB1 or Safety. Makes DJLN's pick of a center sound even better...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...est-to-weakest

I firmly disagree that there aren't CB1 types in this draft and there are certainly some safeties that are very, very good. Just because a group is "weak" doesn't mean there won't be guys out there for the taking that fit the mold.

I don't know what the expectation is as far as a #1 CB type goes, but I certainly see those traits out of several CBs in this draft, such as Greedy Williams, Byron Murphy, Amani Oruwaryie, and Trayvon Mullen. You could also argue Rock Ya-Sin, Justin Layne, Isaiah Johnson, Sean Bunting, Kris Boyd, and Michael Jackson as guys that look to have that outside ability and the traits. That said, I do see the CB class as weak overall without a clear star in the bunch.

As for safety, I couldn't disagree more with the author. This is a very strong group. He's right, there isn't a Derwin James amongst them. There are the rest of what he goes on to name though, in spades. For example, Thornhill was an already good corner that was absolutely lights out in his move to safety and is probably going round 1. He's one of the better playmakers at the position I've seen come out in a while. I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on that kid in 1, over and above Bradbury. He's a better prospect, IMO, than Malik Hooker was. I'd put Abram firmly on par with Adams. There are about 8 safeties that have a legitimate chance to go between about pick 20 and the bottom of the 2nd and I wouldn't doubt 10 total will be taken by the end of day 2. That's a strong class for safeties. That list includes Abram, Adderley, Thornhill, Gardner-Johnson, Thompson, Rapp, Savage, Harris, Hooker, and Johnson.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I firmly disagree that there aren't CB1 types in this draft and there are certainly some safeties that are very, very good. Just because a group is "weak" doesn't mean there won't be guys out there for the taking that fit the mold.

I don't know what the expectation is as far as a #1 CB type goes, but I certainly see those traits out of several CBs in this draft, such as Greedy Williams, Byron Murphy, Amani Oruwaryie, and Trayvon Mullen. You could also argue Rock Ya-Sin, Justin Layne, Isaiah Johnson, Sean Bunting, Kris Boyd, and Michael Jackson as guys that look to have that outside ability and the traits. That said, I do see the CB class as weak overall without a clear star in the bunch.

As for safety, I couldn't disagree more with the author. This is a very strong group. He's right, there isn't a Derwin James amongst them. There are the rest of what he goes on to name though, in spades. For example, Thornhill was an already good corner that was absolutely lights out in his move to safety and is probably going round 1. He's one of the better playmakers at the position I've seen come out in a while. I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on that kid in 1, over and above Bradbury. He's a better prospect, IMO, than Malik Hooker was. I'd put Abram firmly on par with Adams. There are about 8 safeties that have a legitimate chance to go between about pick 20 and the bottom of the 2nd and I wouldn't doubt 10 total will be taken by the end of day 2. That's a strong class for safeties. That list includes Abram, Adderley, Thornhill, Gardner-Johnson, Thompson, Rapp, Savage, Harris, Hooker, and Johnson.

I think the writer had it right. The only reason we're talking about any of these guys at safety or corner going in the first round because this draft is kind of trash at the top.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think the writer had it right. The only reason we're talking about any of these guys at safety or corner going in the first round because this draft is kind of trash at the top.

That doesn't make it a bad class for finding a starter, though. It just makes it harder because there's no real "can't miss" prospects, as if such a thing exists anyway.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That doesn't make it a bad class for finding a starter, though. It just makes it harder because there's no real "can't miss" prospects, as if such a thing exists anyway.

That probably right.

That's why I wouldn't be upset with the Bradburry in the first pick if they thought he was more than just a starter. If he's on the board and they have him as a blue chip prospect, go for it.

If you can have that and 2 starters with those 2nd round picks, you're sitting pretty damn good.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

That probably right.

That's why I wouldn't be upset with the Bradburry in the first pick if they thought he was more than just a starter. If he's on the board and they have him as a blue chip prospect, go for it.

If you can have that and 2 starters with those 2nd round picks, you're sitting pretty damn good.

Exactly. That's why even though I want a CB AND a safety, I'm not dead set on it in round 1.

They could get a guy like Bradbury and still get a potential starting DE as well as a potential starting DB.

There's plenty of options in this draft. It's a deep one.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That doesn't make it a bad class for finding a starter, though. It just makes it harder because there's no real "can't miss" prospects, as if such a thing exists anyway.

This class is balls for finding someone you'd feel comfortable starting as your #1 corner anytime soon.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

This class is balls for finding someone you'd feel comfortable starting as your #1 corner anytime soon.

Why does that have to be the freaking bar? They're picking at the end of every round - they weren't going to get a blue chip prospect anyway.

This draft is deep enough there's a half dozen guys that could be solid #2's with #1 upside available where the Chiefs pick at the end of the 2nd.

Even if this class had 2 or 3 Deion Sanders' in it, they aren't falling to the Chiefs, so I'm not sure why you're even arguing about it.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Why does that have to be the freaking bar? They're picking at the end of every round - they weren't going to get a blue chip prospect anyway.

This draft is deep enough there's a half dozen guys that could be solid #2's with #1 upside available where the Chiefs pick at the end of the 2nd.

Even if this class had 2 or 3 Deion Sanders' in it, they aren't falling to the Chiefs, so I'm not sure why you're even arguing about it.

What the **** are you talking about

Dude, seriously, come on. There is no clear consensus #1 corner and the one that is being talked up like the #1 corner had a drill so bad, his agent told him to quit before it was over.

You don't need a Jalen Ramsey or a Deion Sanders to have a great class, but you need some guys that have strong first round grades. None of these guys can separate from the pack in a class that has nothing on the top end.

Draft positioning is ****ing irrelevant because they're still standing around with dicks in hand even with a top 10 pick.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

What the **** are you talking about

Dude, seriously, come on. There is no clear consensus #1 corner and the one that is being talked up like the #1 corner had a drill so bad, his agent told him to quit before it was over.

You don't need a Jalen Ramsey or a Deion Sanders to have a great class, but you need some guys that have strong first round grades. None of these guys can separate from the pack in a class that has nothing on the top end.

Draft positioning is ****ing irrelevant because they're still standing around with dicks in hand even with a top 10 pick.

You're arguing something completely different.

The OP said it was a bad year to find a CB1. No, it isn't. It's just HARDER. At least one of these guys will eventually be really good. It just isn't clear who it is.

Furthermore, there are people talking about how STRONG the IOL class is in comparison to the CB's. Know how many IOL have a clear first round grade?

Oh that's right, none.

Nobody here is arguing that this is a GOOD CB class. It's not. However, it IS very deep and the idea that there's nobody worth drafting is absolutely FALSE.