**** you, Dee Ford

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sure, weak draft and all.

All teams talked about was how you could get starters thru the what, 3rd round?

But those guys won't be immediate contributors because they were taken with picks 33 and 34 yet i'm guessing you're gonna say a guy like Thornhill will be because?

Dude, I didn’t say they won’t. I’ve said multiple times that it’s unlikely. Do you ****ing read? And let’s not pretend that there’s not a huge difference in corners and safeties. We’re talking about arguably the most difficult position to transition to in the NFL outside of QB.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Dude, I didn’t say they won’t. I’ve said multiple times that it’s unlikely. Do you ****ing read? And let’s not pretend that there’s not a huge difference in corners and safeties. We’re talking about arguably the most difficult position to transition to in the NFL outside of QB.

I asked you why you don't think those guys will contribute early? Wasn't making a statement

Why is corner the most difficult outside of QB? I'd say DL would be above that and maybe WR, but more so because they come in so raw these days.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I asked you why you don't think those guys will contribute early? Wasn't making a statement

Why is corner the most difficult outside of QB? I'd say DL would be above that and maybe WR, but more so because they come in so raw these days.

How often are there good rookie corners? Jessie Bates and Justin Reid both had good rookie years. How many good rookie corners were there taken outside of the 1st?

And I said arguably. Reading comprehension issues? It’s either corner or DL. Meanwhile, safety is probably one of the easier ones.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

How often are there good rookie corners? Jessie Bates and Justin Reid both had good rookie years. How many good rookie corners were there taken outside of the 1st?

And I said arguably. Reading comprehension issues? It’s either corner or DL. Meanwhile, safety is probably one of the easier ones.

Ok, and I was "arguing" it.

I'd say RB and LB would be the easier ones. I think safety is somewhere in the middle, just because of all they're asked to do now is more difficult than just playing CF.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ok, and I was "arguing" it.

I'd say RB and LB would be the easier ones. I think safety is somewhere in the middle, just because of all they're asked to do now is more difficult than just playing CF.

Lol I love how you can’t take the heat when I call you out on being a ****ing moron, but you just love arguing with me.

You said it yourself that you wouldn’t have been confident in either of those guys starting. So what the **** are you arguing about?

I’ll ask again, how often do you see good rookie corners outside of the 1st? Very rarely. Hence “unlikely” to get an immediate impact from 2 corners that weren’t 1st round talents in weak draft.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol I love how you can’t take the heat when I call you out on being a ****ing moron but you just love arguing with me.

You said it yourself that you wouldn’t have been confident in either of those guys starting. So what the **** is your point?

I'd have been fine with Murphy, think he could have done it pretty early.

My main point was just the value of one of them hitting and becoming a good player, while on a rookie deal, is worth a lot. You aren't getting that value with Clarks deal.

And I don't really pay any attention to you calling me out for being a moron. Just kinda skim past it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd have been fine with Murphy, think he could have done it pretty early.

My main point was just the value of one of them hitting and becoming a good player, while on a rookie deal, is worth a lot. You aren't getting that value with Clarks deal.

And I don't really pay any attention to you calling me out for being a moron. Just kinda skim past it.

Literally one page ago:

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm not sure I'd have been that excited about either of those CB's to be honest though either.

I know you’re full of shit, because I actually really liked Murphy unlike you and I wouldn’t have expected anywhere close to the impact of a guy like Frank Clark from a rookie corner taken late in the 1st.

That’s all I’m saying. I liked Murphy and Ya-Sin. That doesn’t mean they were going to come in an be good corners right alway because that’s extremely rare.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

How often are there good rookie corners? Jessie Bates and Justin Reid both had good rookie years. How many good rookie corners were there taken outside of the 1st?

And I said arguably. Reading comprehension issues? It’s either corner or DL. Meanwhile, safety is probably one of the easier ones.

Also, dunno if you meant to say something different but those 2 are safeties.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Also, dunno if you meant to say something different but those 2 are safeties.

Yea that was my point. It’s a lot more common with safeties. Ronnie Harrison was another one last year. That’s 3 in one class that weren’t 1st rounders. You can’t even find one corner outside the 1st in the last few years that was a good rookie.