**** you, Dee Ford

[staylor26]

Awuzie started 6 games his rookie year. What a HUGE impact!

White is literally the only guy you can give me and he was a 1st rounder. Point made.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Awuzie started 6 games his rookie year. What a HUGE impact!

White is literally the only guy you can give me and he was a 1st rounder. Point made.

White was taken at 27 and Murphy at 33

I figure that’s more comparable than a corner taken late 2nd

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

White was taken at 27 and Murphy at 33

I figure that’s more comparable than a corner taken late 2nd

But I never said it doesn’t happen. I said it doesn’t happen often and is unlikely. The chances are slim that Murphy turns out as good as White, let alone has a rookie season like he did.

And about the Nelson thing, if you’re going to talk about ceilings, I’m not going to disagree. That’s not what we’re talking about though. We’re talking about the immediate impact of a guy like Clark versus a rookie corner on a team that’s trying to win a SB this year, not next.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But I never said it doesn’t happen. I said it doesn’t happen often and is unlikely. The chances are slim that Murphy turns out as good as White, let alone has a rookie season like he did.

And about the Nelson thing, if you’re going to talk about ceilings, I’m not going to disagree. That’s not what we’re talking about though. We’re talking about the immediate impact of a guy like Clark versus a rookie corner on a team that’s trying to win a SB this year, not next.

Well, yeah, you're for sure gonna have more immediate impact with a current player, unless something unforeseen happens.

But it also wouldn't have been straight across. You'd have had more money to play with to bring in another pass rusher or something (although not as good of a player as Clark, likely).

You may have had Murphy or whoever at 29. Yeah, they probably aren't gonna be Deion year 1, but I'm not sure the "all in this year" strategy is the best way to go about it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, yeah, you're for sure gonna have more immediate impact with a current player, unless something unforeseen happens.

But it also wouldn't have been straight across. You'd have had more money to play with to bring in another pass rusher or something (although not as good of a player as Clark, likely).

Lol what pass rushers were still available around that time? Oh that’s right nobody.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol what pass rushers were still available around that time? Oh that’s right nobody.

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

He obviously wouldn’t have costed draft picks, but Trey Flowers got elite pass rusher money and he’s not elite. He’s a good solid player that the Pats probably made look a lot better than he actually is, hence why they didn’t even attempt a tag & trade. We added his DL coach, so I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt since they chose not to go in that direction. Overpaying an overachiever from the Pats is an awful idea. We know how that usually plays out.

And Ansah?

That’s exactly what this defense needed. Replace a brokedick with... an older brokedick!

Just stop dude.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. We don’t need to start making moves like this until Pat makes big money in 2021.

I agree with your strategy for future value, but not right now.