**** you, Dee Ford

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Awuzie started 6 games his rookie year. What a HUGE impact!

White is literally the only guy you can give me and he was a 1st rounder. Point made.

White was taken at 27 and Murphy at 33

I figure that’s more comparable than a corner taken late 2nd

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

White was taken at 27 and Murphy at 33

I figure that’s more comparable than a corner taken late 2nd

But I never said it doesn’t happen. I said it doesn’t happen often and is unlikely. The chances are slim that Murphy turns out as good as White, let alone has a rookie season like he did.

And about the Nelson thing, if you’re going to talk about ceilings, I’m not going to disagree. That’s not what we’re talking about though. We’re talking about the immediate impact of a guy like Clark versus a rookie corner on a team that’s trying to win a SB this year, not next.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But I never said it doesn’t happen. I said it doesn’t happen often and is unlikely. The chances are slim that Murphy turns out as good as White, let alone has a rookie season like he did.

And about the Nelson thing, if you’re going to talk about ceilings, I’m not going to disagree. That’s not what we’re talking about though. We’re talking about the immediate impact of a guy like Clark versus a rookie corner on a team that’s trying to win a SB this year, not next.

Well, yeah, you're for sure gonna have more immediate impact with a current player, unless something unforeseen happens.

But it also wouldn't have been straight across. You'd have had more money to play with to bring in another pass rusher or something (although not as good of a player as Clark, likely).

You may have had Murphy or whoever at 29. Yeah, they probably aren't gonna be Deion year 1, but I'm not sure the "all in this year" strategy is the best way to go about it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, yeah, you're for sure gonna have more immediate impact with a current player, unless something unforeseen happens.

But it also wouldn't have been straight across. You'd have had more money to play with to bring in another pass rusher or something (although not as good of a player as Clark, likely).

Lol what pass rushers were still available around that time? Oh that’s right nobody.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol what pass rushers were still available around that time? Oh that’s right nobody.

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

He obviously wouldn’t have costed draft picks, but Trey Flowers got elite pass rusher money and he’s not elite. He’s a good solid player that the Pats probably made look a lot better than he actually is, hence why they didn’t even attempt a tag & trade. We added his DL coach, so I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt since they chose not to go in that direction. Overpaying an overachiever from the Pats is an awful idea. We know how that usually plays out.

And Ansah?

That’s exactly what this defense needed. Replace a brokedick with... an older brokedick!

Just stop dude.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He obviously wouldn’t have costed draft picks, but Trey Flowers got elite pass rusher money and he’s not elite. He’s a good solid player that the Pats probably made look a lot better than he actually is, hence why they didn’t even attempt a tag & trade. We added his DL coach, so I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt since they chose not to go in that direction. Overpaying an overachiever from the Pats is an awful idea. We know how that usually plays out.

And Ansah?

That’s exactly what this defense needed. Replace a brokedick with... an older brokedick!

Just stop dude.

It's just another way to go about it. Doesn't make it right or wrong. Bill went that way with adding an aging Michael Bennett and some other pieces etc.

Again, I'm not sure why we can't have any discussions about other ways in which they could have went about adding a pass rusher.

With what they paid for Clark, there were other ways they could have went to potentially add a few other additional role type players. That's obviously not the way they went with it, but ti doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. We don’t need to start making moves like this until Pat makes big money in 2021.

I agree with your strategy for future value, but not right now.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. We don’t need to start making moves like this until Pat makes big money in 2021.

I agree with your strategy for future value, but not right now.

Don't disagree.

It's just hard to win SB's. Give yourself as many chances as you can.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. We don’t need to start making moves like this until Pat makes big money in 2021.

I agree with your strategy for future value, but not right now.

When did Noah build the ark?

Before the rain.

The Chiefs can't just seamlessly add a salary like the one Mahomes is going to get soon. They absolutely need to be making moves that are with an eye on 2021 and they need to have been doing it yesterday.

I think they have been and I think that's part of why this Jones deal isn't done just yet. I almost wonder if they weren't resigned to not paying Hill when they made the Clark trade and now they're kinda stuck in between plans.

If they want to keep this crew largely intact for another couple of seasons, they need to be planning every step of the way how to build as much rollover as possible. That means moving on from Williams and getting comfortable with Jack Fox. It means that if Hyde is clearly outplayed by Darrell Williams, you just bite the bullet and recover what cap space you can recover, sunk cash be damned.

You go with Hamilton, Fox and Darrell Williams instead of Williams, Colquitt and Hyde and you've found about $6 million in rollover for next season AND cleared the potential dead money that would otherwise carry over to next year off Colquitt's deal.

I don't think you can ever be too early on planning for this stuff.