Brett Veach

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Nnadi, Hardman, and Thornhill were good picks.

Speaks, DOD, and Saunders have not shown anything.

He’s batting .500 now. About what you’d expect with day 2 picks.

Mid/late round picks are not supposed to be starters, so I hardly see your point there.

But LDT, Hill, Kelce, Hunt etc all were mid to late round picks and were starters. I'll give credit on the 3 you mentioned as good picks but none are really impact players. Hardman could be if he developes his route running, Thornhill is seemingly improving each week but I dont see the impact player type from him.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

But LDT, Hill, Kelce, Hunt etc all were mid to late round picks and were starters. I'll give credit on the 3 you mentioned as good picks but none are really impact players. Hardman could be if he developes his route running, Thornhill is seemingly improving each week but I dont see the impact player type from him.

Kelce and Hunt were day 2 picks, just like the guys I mentioned.

Yea he hasn’t found any mid to late round starters through the draft, but he’s found guys like Reiter, Wylie, and Ward who are starters. You’re too fixated on how these starters were acquired in the past. Veach has found cheap solid starters in other ways. What difference does it make whether they were drafted or not?

Not to mention there’s still plenty of time for a guy like Darwin to become a starter. We’re 5 games into this year class’s careers. Those guys you mentioned that Dorsey acquired weren’t starters this early. That’s what I mean by “unfair”.

By the way, Kelce and Hunt were 100% Reid picks anyways. They would’ve been made regardless of who is the GM. You know that, right?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Kelce and Hunt were day 2 picks, just like the guys I mentioned.

Yea he hasn’t found any mid to late round starters through the draft, but he’s found guys like Reiter, Wylie, and Ward who are starters. You’re too fixated on how these starters were acquired in the past. Veach has found cheap solid starters in other ways. What difference does it make whether they were drafted or not?

Not to mention there’s still plenty of time for a guy like Darwin to become a starter. We’re 5 games into this year class’s careers. Those guys you mentioned that Dorsey acquired weren’t starters this early.

By the way, Kelce and Hunt were 100% Reid picks anyways. They would’ve been made regardless of who is the GM. You know that, right?

Reiter and Wylie are the reason Mahomes likely wont finish the year. They are awful and never should have been starters dude they weren't even good last year.
How they were acquired aside he really hasnt added any impact players aside from Watkins who's made of glass and Mathieu.

We are 5 games in so I'll be willing to admit that I was wrong if different guys step up but the way Clark is playing could be a huge face plant and that Hitchens deal was atrocious. You cant keep whiffing like that man.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Reiter and Wylie are the reason Mahomes likely wont finish the year. They are awful and never should have been starters dude they weren't even good last year.
How they were acquired aside he really hasnt added any impact players aside from Watkins who's made of glass and Mathieu.

We are 5 games in so I'll be willing to admit that I was wrong if different guys step up but the way Clark is playing could be a huge face plant and that Hitchens deal was atrocious. You cant keep whiffing like that man.

Oh and LDT has just been phenomenal at a much cheaper price huh? Wylie and Reiter are fine and if the rest of our OL/offense were healthy, they wouldn’t look nearly as bad. If Wylie and Reiter being starters were our biggest problem on offense, we’d be 5-0 putting up 30+ every game.

What about Okafor? Ogbah? Breeland? Wilson?

Again, you are ignoring any of his good moves.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh and LDT has just been phenomenal at a much cheaper price huh? Wylie and Reiter are fine and if the rest of our OL/offense were healthy, they wouldn’t look nearly as bad. If Wylie and Reiter being starters were our biggest problem on offense, we’d be 5-0 putting up 30+ every game.

What about Okafor? Ogbah? Breeland? Wilson?

Again, you are ignoring any of his good moves.

None of those signings you listed are intact players. Ogbah has been a good rotational D end, Okafor has been ok, Breeland is kinda inconsistent, and Wilson has been the best of a bad LB core.

Look up our record when LDT plays. He is our best guard and was selected in the 6th round. Wasnt Wylie part of the the old Colts line that got Luck injured? That dude sucks and always has. Reiter got cut by like the Bills and Browns. Definite down grade from Morse. It's a shame we didnt keep Devey he was decent at center and just as bad at guard as Wylie.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

None of those signings you listed are intact players. Ogbah has been a good rotational D end, Okafor has been ok, Breeland is kinda inconsistent, and Wilson has been the best of a bad LB core.

Look up our record when LDT plays. He is our best guard and was selected in the 6th round. Wasnt Wylie part of the the old Colts line that got Luck injured? That dude sucks and always has. Reiter got cut by like the Bills and Browns. Definite down grade from Morse. It's a shame we didnt keep Devey he was decent at center and just as bad at guard as Wylie.

What does that mean? They’ve all had a positive impact and were good moves but you just want to ignore it completely? Not everybody has to be an All-Pro.

Who gives a **** what our record is with/without LDT? He’s not impacting wins and losses are you ****ing kidding me? But I’m the homer He was better than all of those guys when he was cheap, but now that he got paid? It’s a wash at this point.

Wylie and Reiter were good enough against the Jags front with all of our guys healthy. Wonder why that is?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by staylor26

What does that mean? They’ve all had a positive impact and were good moves but you just want to ignore it completely? Not everybody has to be an All-Pro.

Who gives a **** what our record is with/without LDT? He’s not impacting wins and losses are you ****ing kidding me? But I’m the homer He was better than all of those guys when he was cheap, but now that he got paid? It’s a wash at this point.

Wylie and Reiter were good enough against the Jags front with all of our guys healthy. Wonder why that is?

It means hes a key piece of our offensive line and no they still sucked and got Patty hit a bunch.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh and LDT has just been phenomenal at a much cheaper price huh? Wylie and Reiter are fine and if the rest of our OL/offense were healthy, they wouldn’t look nearly as bad. If Wylie and Reiter being starters were our biggest problem on offense, we’d be 5-0 putting up 30+ every game.

What about Okafor? Ogbah? Breeland? Wilson?

Again, you are ignoring any of his good moves.

Oh, well... Okafor, Ogbah, Breeland, and Wilson...

That's 1/3 of our AWESOME defense!

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Oh, well... Okafor, Ogbah, Breeland, and Wilson...

That's 1/3 of our AWESOME defense!

Nobody is saying they’re great players. They’re certainly not the problem though.

The problem is we only have 3 core guys and they’ve been inconsistent at best.

One is a liability against the run and now he’s hurt.

Another went from a guy that’s been consistently one of the best edge rushers in the NFL to what we’ve seen these last 5 weeks whether it be due to injury, playing on a new defense in a new scheme, or a combination of the two.

The third hasn’t quite played like a core guy up until this past week. Unfortunately for him, the two huge plays he made didn’t result in a win.

When you have all that and nobody that fits that bill at CB and LB, you get what you’ve had these first 5 weeks.

That doesn’t change the fact that those other guys have been good moves by Veach that are being ignored. You can’t have great players at every spot.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Nobody is saying they’re great players. They’re certainly not the problem though.

The problem is we only have 3 core guys and they’ve been inconsistent at best.

One is a liability against the run and now he’s hurt.

Another went from a guy that’s been consistently one of the best edge rushers in the NFL to what we’ve seen these last 5 weeks whether it be due to injury, playing on a new defense in a new scheme, or a combination of the two.

The third hasn’t quite played like a core guy up until this past week. Unfortunately for him, the two huge plays he made didn’t result in a win.

When you have all that and nobody that fits that bill at CB and LB, you get what you’ve had these first 5 weeks.

That doesn’t change the fact that those other guys have been good moves by Veach that are being ignored. You can’t have great players at every spot.

Most of them were lateral moves at best. Breeland was a big upgrade as was Mathieu.

I don't know how in the **** people are high on Wilson. I guess when you're used to trash LB's a below average back up caliber player is impressive.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Reiter and Wylie are the reason Mahomes likely wont finish the year. They are awful and never should have been starters dude they weren't even good last year.
How they were acquired aside he really hasnt added any impact players aside from Watkins who's made of glass and Mathieu.

We are 5 games in so I'll be willing to admit that I was wrong if different guys step up but the way Clark is playing could be a huge face plant and that Hitchens deal was atrocious. You cant keep whiffing like that man.

They’re good backups for sure but I don’t like counting on them to start more than a few games.

This is what happens when you don’t have draft picks or you just simply blow them.

Trading for Alex=no 2nd for 2 years
Maclin penalty=no 3rd
Mahomes trade=loss of a 1st
Clark=loss of 1st and 2nd rd pick

Both of those QB trades were great for us IMO but the point is we didn’t have picks. That is hard when you can’t use that resource to surround your QB with talent.

Need to hit on the draft. That’s the best way to win in this league

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Kelce and Hunt were day 2 picks, just like the guys I mentioned.

Yea he hasn’t found any mid to late round starters through the draft, but he’s found guys like Reiter, Wylie, and Ward who are starters. You’re too fixated on how these starters were acquired in the past. Veach has found cheap solid starters in other ways. What difference does it make whether they were drafted or not?

Not to mention there’s still plenty of time for a guy like Darwin to become a starter. We’re 5 games into this year class’s careers. Those guys you mentioned that Dorsey acquired weren’t starters this early. That’s what I mean by “unfair”.

By the way, Kelce and Hunt were 100% Reid picks anyways. They would’ve been made regardless of who is the GM. You know that, right?

Kelce and Hunt were 100% Reid picks? How do you know? Were you in the draft room when they made the picks?

I guarantee you Dorsey had way more say than Reid when it comes to any of the draft picks that were made when he was here. You are talking out of your ass right now.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Kelce and Hunt were 100% Reid picks? How do you know? Were you in the draft room when they made the picks?

I guarantee you Dorsey had way more say than Reid when it comes to any of the draft picks that were made when he was here. You are talking out of your ass right now.

I’m not talking out of my ass you stupid ****.

Reid said it himself that he fell in love with Hunt watching MAC games on Thursday nights in the background while doing game prep. If you had a clue, you’d already know this.

He obviously knew Kelce very well after coaching his brother. You think that’s a coincidence?

Reid plays a huge role in drafting offensive guys. He’s one of the greatest offensive minds ever, and you don’t think they lean on him when drafting offensive players to play in his ****ing scheme? Some are 100% his picks. Hunt and Kelce clearly were.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m not talking out of my ass you stupid ****.

Reid said it himself that he fell in love with Hunt watching MAC games on Thursday nights in the background while doing game prep. If you had a clue, you’d already know this.

He obviously knew Kelce very well after coaching his brother. You think that’s a coincidence?

Reid plays a huge role in drafting offensive guys. He’s one of the greatest offensive minds ever, and you don’t think they lean on him when drafting offensive players to play in his ****ing scheme? Some are 100% his picks. Hunt and Kelce clearly were.

You are the dumbass for saying that a HC is 100% responsible for a draft pick when a GM has final say on all draft picks moron.

Did Reid have a say? Im sure he did how much or how little is anyones guess.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You are the dumbass for saying that a HC is 100% responsible for a draft pick when a GM has final say on all draft picks moron.

Did Reid have a say? Im sure he did how much or how little is anyones guess.

Travis Kelce’s brother was drafted by Andy and played for him for years. Travis even met Andy before he was draft eligible.
Andy’s kid coached at Temple, who is in the same conference as Cincinnati where Travis played. Andy’s son saw him every year.

Your dumbass really think Andy didn’t know about Travis Kelce?