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Old 02-06-2020, 09:45 PM  
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How to play this off-season with free agency?

I don't know the cap space that well so people smarter will have to tell me what we can do. I'm just excited to see how good this team can get. All the building blocks are in place. It's a matter of how we can supplement the pieces. And I know retain the big pieces is most important.

So assuming we can keep Chris Jones and give Pat an extension, will we have any room at all in the cap to make impact additions? Keeping Sammy looks unlikely. Not sure how many of our corners we can keep?

Even if we play it perfect, will there be any cap left to add some vet free agents? It seems like a pretty strong offensive line class in free agency if we could add one or two. Or if we could add an LB (although Hitchens make a lot). Or a vet corner? Trade possibilities?

I'm just trying to get a realistic grid of what potential moves we can make. I know hitting on picks in the draft will be the biggest way to improve. But if we can get some discounted vets or something, that could go a long way into having freedom in drafting more luxury picks.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:33 AM   #76
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Eric Berry & Anthony Hitchens are taking up about $21M of cap space for 2020 season. That’s brutal.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:33 AM   #77
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The d-bags need to realize that they're already far wealthier than they have any right to be.
How are they wealthier than they have any right to be? The NFL is a business. They don't play the games just for fun.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:34 AM   #78
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We're hitting a point where we can't have high priced backups and we have to pick and choose who are cornerstones are...

They chose as an organization that it's Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Clark and Mathieu...if you drop another huge contract in there you are going to have some serious problems.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:34 AM   #79
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Eric Berry & Anthony Hitchens are taking up about $21M of cap space for 2020 season. That’s brutal.
Hitchens is here at least 2 more years, there is no out of that contract.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:35 AM   #80
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If we trade Jones we damn well better be looking at pass rush with the pick we get for him.
Even if we roll into next season with our DL as:

Okafor-Nnadi-Pennel-Clark

Bench-Saunders, Kpassagnon, Speaks

That’s still well above average. Nnadi, Saunders, Kpassagnon, and Speaks should all continue to get better. Clark will be fully healthy.

That would assume that we don’t bring anyone new in.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:36 AM   #81
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Even if we roll into next season with our DL as:

Okafor-Nnadi-Pennel-Clark

Bench-Saunders, Kpassagnon, Speaks

That’s still well above average. Nnadi, Saunders, Kpassagnon, and Speaks should all continue to get better. Clark will be fully healthy.

That would assume that we don’t bring anyone new in.
They carried Tim Ward all year on IR without him ever playing even in preseason so he likely gets a shot to make it at DE, you don't do that with a college guy unless you think he has something.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:36 AM   #82
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I'm curious to see how much the cap jumps next year and what gets done with the CBA that could have a positive effect on QB salaries before deciding that Jones can't return.

I don't expect Jones to give a discount, nor should we expect it. He wants to get paid, and he will. It's the price of success that we'll have to pay.

If Veach drafts like he did in 2019, we'll be just fine.

Oh and we have the greatest player in the NFL at the most important position, so there's that too.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:37 AM   #83
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:38 AM   #84
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Although if Jones is somehow moved for a good pick, I'm going to target Ruggs out of Alabama, dude is a great fit for the offense and is a good replacement for Watkins.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:44 AM   #85
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I may have suggested this before.

I'm torn about Jones. I love everything about the guy, yet I think the team needs cap flexibility and young talent long term. So here is my crazy idea.

Trade Watkins to the Bears for Leonard Floyd, who is in the final year of his rookie deal. The money is similar I believe. Bears need to help Mitch more than anything, and there is no way they are keeping Floyd. So you add a flexible OLB to the defense which I have no doubt Spags could maximize, and then you trade Jones so you can fill multiple hole at CB, offensive line, and elsewhere.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:44 AM   #86
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We're hitting a point where we can't have high priced backups and we have to pick and choose who are cornerstones are...

They chose as an organization that it's Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Clark and Mathieu...if you drop another huge contract in there you are going to have some serious problems.
It makes sense. I think we can barely fit Jones in there, but we would have no money at all for really any FA’s, even cheap ones.

It would certainly help if we got a 1st for Jones and used those 2 1st rd picks on Watkins and Jones replacements.

Not sure there is a really good DL available after the first half of the first rd though.
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You’re right, but that doesn’t mean Jones agrees. If he won’t give us a discount, then he needs to be traded.

We can’t have another big contract like that right now. I love the player, but we do have limitations.
Jones talked a LOT after the Superbowl. He said he wants to stay here for his career and was confident that Veech would get something done.

He is the most important player on our defense.
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Also that decision on Hitchens hurts but we're stuck with him for now.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:48 AM   #89
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Eric Berry & Anthony Hitchens are taking up about $21M of cap space for 2020 season. That’s brutal.


That's hurts worse than a proctology exam from Shaq
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