***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[007]

Originally Posted by Nickhead

what's a mask gonna do if someone infected sneezes and your eyes aren't covered?

Welders mask can take care of it

[tk13]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

No one can time the market but I took out a big chunk on the theory that if the market is going to freak out over 500 cases in northern Italy, what is it going to do when there are 500 cases in Manhattan. If the incubation period can be two weeks and you can spread it asymptomatically then this thing is out and its going to be everywhere soon. I doubt the mortality rate is as high as they say given the fact that they don’t have clear numbers on who is infected, but the news and the threat of news is going to keep the markets depressed until something happens to give investors hope that new negative news won’t fall out of the blue. That’s my $.02 and I certainly could be wrong.

I agree with you and I'm someone who thinks people are a bit hysterical about this and not thinking about how common the typical flu is. It's very possible the death rate isn't as high as reported because people with minor symptoms haven't come forward.

Still, you have a highly contagious disease with no cure, even if there aren't any quarantines people aren't going to be rushing out to jump on planes or go to restaurants or ballgames. Then you think about how easily it could be spread through a factory or distribution center and knock out a chunk of a workforce. If this thing gets going here you'd think there are pretty high odds it's going to put a dent in the economy.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by 007

Welders mask can take care of it

"hey mister, I gotta tell you, I'm not really a welder".

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by tk13

I agree with you and I'm someone who thinks people are a bit hysterical about this and not thinking about how common the typical flu is. It's very possible the death rate isn't as high as reported because people with minor symptoms haven't come forward.

Still, you have a highly contagious disease with no cure, even if there aren't any quarantines people aren't going to be rushing out to jump on planes or go to restaurants or ballgames. Then you think about how easily it could be spread through a factory or distribution center and knock out a chunk of a workforce. If this thing gets going here you'd think there are pretty high odds it's going to put a dent in the economy.

I told my guy to buy buy buy when people go nuts remain calm & steal their money.

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Trump just called the virus a democratic hoax

You're an idiot. The media feeds off of people like you. Here's the actual quote. He didn't say the virus is a hoax. He said the democrats politicization of corona virus and his handling of it is their newest hoax.

Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. You know that, right? Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs, you see. ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ (Laughter) They have no clue, they don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa! (Laughter) .They can’t even count. No, they can’t. They can’t count their votes!

One of my people came up to me and said “Mr. President they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well, they couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax–that was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost, it’s all turning. Think of it, think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We have fifteen people in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we coulda had a lot more than that. We’re doing great. Our country is doing so great. We are so unified. We are so unified. (Loud cheers.)

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

You're an idiot. The media feeds off of people like you. Here's the actual quote. He didn't say the virus is a hoax. He said the democrats politicization of corona virus and his handling of it is their newest hoax.

You can’t say others are an idiot when in the same quote he says “we did a good job”. It’s not over. Whether the President did a good job or not is still to be decided.

This is just starting. It’s like a hurricane. Maybe your as prepared as you can be but presidents are judged on how well they handle the aftermath and recovery. And they really get no wide spread kudo’s if it goes well. They just get hammered if it goes bad. It is what it is.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

You're an idiot. The media feeds off of people like you. Here's the actual quote. He didn't say the virus is a hoax. He said the democrats politicization of corona virus and his handling of it is their newest hoax.

Iowa, literally, wasn’t a counting error.

[Bwana]

Just out of curiosity, I went to Amazon and looked at N95 masks to check prices. I had bought 60 of them last year, for various household projects. I probably still have 50 of them. There is some serious price gouging going on. Last fall I paid 21.50 for 20 of them. The same masks on there now are $89.98.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Just out of curiosity, I went to Amazon and looked at N95 masks to check prices. I had bought 60 of them last year, for various household projects. I probably still have 50 of them. There is some serious price gouging going on. Last fall I paid 21.50 for 20 of them. The same masks on there now are $89.98.

I’m sure they are a Chinese company but Amazon isn’t. Price gouging is illegal even online isn’t it? Or is that a state by state thing or has to be officially declared?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Just out of curiosity, I went to Amazon and looked at N95 masks to check prices. I had bought 60 of them last year, for various household projects. I probably still have 50 of them. There is some serious price gouging going on. Last fall I paid 21.50 for 20 of them. The same masks on there now are $89.98.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/28/2...ing-face-masks

[BigRedChief]

The main source of virus spreading will be contaminating ourselves by the constant facepalms from stupidity! pic.twitter.com/khgp98gxnJ

— BevMarie (@evenbev) February 28, 2020

[crazycoffey]

Is it time to start killing zombies? Asking for a friend

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Just out of curiosity, I went to Amazon and looked at N95 masks to check prices. I had bought 60 of them last year, for various household projects. I probably still have 50 of them. There is some serious price gouging going on. Last fall I paid 21.50 for 20 of them. The same masks on there now are $89.98.

Made in China?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Is it time to start killing zombies? Asking for a friend

I think this may be more of a silver bullet situation.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Made in China?

all face masks and most medical supplies used in hospitals are made in China.