Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League

[The Franchise]

Berry is an anomaly. The dude came back from cancer and had one of his best seasons ever. Nobody knew about the Haglunds deformity and it basically ended his career super early into the new contract.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Berry is an anomaly. The dude came back from cancer and had one of his best seasons ever. Nobody knew about the Haglunds deformity and it basically ended his career super early into the new contract.

So was Houston.

Nobody can predict a guy destroying his whole knee right after signing a massive contract.

[kcclone]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So was Houston.

Nobody can predict a guy destroying his whole knee right after signing a massive contract.

This is true for every player we (or any other team) sign. It happens.

Guys that stay on the sidelines because of the small, nagging stuff is something you can try to avoid, but major reconstructions, etc are what they are.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So was Houston.

Nobody can predict a guy destroying his whole knee right after signing a massive contract.

For clarification, im not blaming the players. Its nobody's fault that they were injured. But dropping that much money on one player, is a gamble.

When you gamble, you are going to lose at one point or another.

Injuries are a major aspect of pro football. Its not a matter of IF you are going to be injured, its WHEN, and for HOW LONG.

If Veach is comfortable letting 200 million ride on two trench players, where violent contact is experienced every single play, then okay.

Its simply not a gamble that has paid off for the Chiefs.

Name any Chief (aside from Frank Clark who has played one season on his) given a monster contract that worked out, and was worth the money.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

For clarification, im not blaming the players. Its nobody's fault that they were injured. But dropping that much money on one player, is a gamble.

When you gamble, you are going to lose at one point or another.

Injuries are a major aspect of pro football. Its not a matter of IF you are going to be injured, its WHEN, and for HOW LONG.

If Veach is comfortable letting 200 million ride on two trench players, where violent contact is experienced every single play, then okay.

Its simply not a gamble that has paid off for the Chiefs.

Name any Chief (aside from Frank Clark who has played one season on his) given a monster contract that worked out, and was worth the money.

It depends on what your definition of "worked out" really is. If you're criteria is "we won a SB with that guy" then the list is pretty short. But that's an unfair metric IMO, because even just getting to a SB is an extremely rare and difficult thing to do, and it requires an entire team to get that done. Much less win one.

On the other hand, if your parameters are statistical production, leadership, etc. then the list is significantly larger.

Take Alex Smith for example. Alex signed a 4-year extension, including 45 million guaranteed, IIRC back in 2014 to be the Chiefs starting QB. Now despite the fact that he ultimately couldn't get the Chiefs to the big game, he was in fact well worth his contract. He took over a team that in the previous season went 2-14 or whatever it was, and led the Chiefs to five consecutive winning seasons, four of which totaled at least ten wins, two consecutive AFC-W championships, and four playoff appearances.

Except between 1990-95, the Chiefs had never experienced a such a period of consistent success in franchise history.

And in reference to your "gambling" scenario, the fact that the Chiefs ultimately lost on Houston and Berry actually tells us that the Chiefs should gamble on Jones, mathematically speaking. The law of averages says that gambling on Jones should work out positively for the Chiefs because those two gambles didn't work out.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

It depends on what your definition of "worked out" really is. If you're criteria is "we won a SB with that guy" then the list is pretty short. But that's an unfair metric IMO, because even just getting to a SB is an extremely rare and difficult thing to do, and it requires an entire team to get that done. Much less win one.

On the other hand, if your parameters are statistical production, leadership, etc. then the list is significantly larger.

Take Alex Smith for example. Alex signed a 4-year extension, including 45 million guaranteed, IIRC back in 2014 to be the Chiefs starting QB. Now despite the fact that he ultimately couldn't get the Chiefs to the big game, he was in fact well worth his contract. He took over a team that in the previous season went 2-14 or whatever it was, and led the Chiefs to five consecutive winning seasons, four of which totaled at least ten wins, two consecutive AFC-W championships, and four playoff appearances.

Except between 1990-95, the Chiefs had never experienced a such a period of consistent success in franchise history.

And in reference to your "gambling" scenario, the fact that the Chiefs ultimately lost on Houston and Berry actually tells us that the Chiefs should gamble on Jones, mathematically speaking. The law of averages says that gambling on Jones should work out positively for the Chiefs because those two gambles didn't work out.

I dont recall Alex making insane top qb money, but sure. So, one guy then?

As for your take on gambling, that because Houston and Berrys contracts flopped, and ****ed us for 15 million dead money this year, and 8 million next, your answer is go ahead and gamble another 100 million alongside the 100 mil you already have riding on Clark, who has already in his first year battled numerous injuries for no other reason than "Hey, we are due for one of these things to work out eventually." ?

I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that because i cannot begin to put into words how completely ridiculous a mindset like that is.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

I dont recall Alex making insane top qb money, but sure. So, one guy then?

As for your take on gambling, that because Houston and Berrys contracts flopped, and ****ed us for 15 million dead money this year, and 8 million next, your answer is go ahead and gamble another 100 million alongside the 100 mil you already have riding on Clark, who has already in his first year battled numerous injuries for no other reason than "Hey, we are due for one of these things to work out eventually." ?

I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that because i cannot begin to put into words how completely ridiculous a mindset like that is.

There's more than Alex; as I wrote above it was one example.

As for your highlighted sentence, tell that to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. When things got tough, they both had the mindset of "keep firing, just keep firing," did they not?

You don't win it all by being safe. You win it all by taking chances. Which was exactly my biggest problem with Alex; he didn't take enough shots when the game was on the line. You want to win big, you have to take big risks. Every uber successful person knows that.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

There's more than Alex; as I wrote above it was one example.

As for your highlighted sentence, tell that to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. When things got tough, they both had the mindset of "keep firing, just keep firing," did they not?

You don't win it all by being safe. You win it all by taking chances. Which was exactly my biggest problem with Alex; he didn't take enough shots when the game was on the line. You want to win big, you have to take big risks. Every uber successful person knows that.

Im sorry, but are you comparing an organization ignoring their history of being burned and just throwing big contracts out and hoping it doesnt blow up in their face to Andy Reid telling the best ****ing qb on the planet its okay to keep throwing?

Again, the level of fail here is staggering.

One is a coin flip. Its either gonna work, or it isnt.

Putting the football in Patrick Mahomes hands and removing his leash is hardly gambling bro. Thats the ****ing safe play.

Oh Andy Reid, that gambler! Putting the ball in Mahomes hands with the biggest game on the line! What coach has the guts to do that?!!

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

There's more than Alex; as I wrote above it was one example.

As for your highlighted sentence, tell that to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. When things got tough, they both had the mindset of "keep firing, just keep firing," did they not?

You don't win it all by being safe. You win it all by taking chances. Which was exactly my biggest problem with Alex; he didn't take enough shots when the game was on the line. You want to win big, you have to take big risks. Every uber successful person knows that.

No.

You take calculated risks. But no one on here wants to do... you know... the calculating.