***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

So far I’ve lost $5000 in my 401k. Damn.

Pfffttttt

[BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock]

All these cancellations and quarantines and yet I still have to go to work and be around filthy slobs who don't wash their hands after they shit. HORSESHIT

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Pfffttttt

Looked this morning. Yeah, that's nothin

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Isn't that guy a rap performer? Maybe it's a conspiracy to weed out people who have bad taste in music.

He's the guy who was at the Sprint center the night we had the Chiefs championship parade, Mahomes and Kelce played beer pong with him backstage and went out into the audience, They were recognized immediately and the place went bonkers.

[displacedinMN]

This is about the only time I am glad my mom is not around any more. She would be freaking....even though she lived a half mile from anyone and barely went anywhere.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Setting aside the problem with the elderly/vulnerable population for a moment, I think it's got the potential to kill more, and that's something that's not really being discussed. Someone posted that article about the first guy to catch it, and it sounded like he almost died as a healthy 48 year old. So it made me realize that the current death rate is happening with medical intervention. Without it, the death rate would likely be notably higher and this would truly be a historic event.

Well if that’s true and 30/40 year old healthy people are dying then it’s another story. My understanding was 99.7% of under 60 healthy didn’t die and ended up fine with little to no symptoms . If this is incorrect and 2 plus percent of healthy younger people are dying then it’s a who new problem .

[Fish]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

I get it but as an example my grandmother passed away and has had dementia for years. She wasn’t who she was . Just felt like visiting a body. Her passing was a blessing . Or my friends mom is just drugged up in a nursing home just drugged out of her mind . Many , many of these people don’t want to live that way and if given a choice would choose to move on to a much happier life than rotting inside room.

Not everyone fits your anecdotal story. My grandmother is 70 and has existing health issues. But she's 100% as far as mental capacity. She's very much still who she is/was. Now she's scared of dying, and I really fear for her. I think your outlook is selfish and shortsighted.

[displacedinMN]

I've no idea if this is fake or not. ��
Who cares, it is perfect. ����������#coronavirus#panicbuyingpic.twitter.com/vOoZxh117O

— ��James Neill ������������ #ThankEU (@jneill) March 9, 2020

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Fish

Not everyone fits your anecdotal story. My grandmother is 70 and has existing health issues. But she's 100% as far as mental capacity. She's very much still who she is/was. Now she's scared of dying, and I really fear for her. I think your outlook is selfish and shortsighted.

Is she in a nursing home ?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Are all of the governors talking to each other, or is the 250 person limit a CDC recommendation? Colorado just did the same thing with the same size limit.

It actually seems a bit large to me. A meeting of 100 people is still a pretty large group of people. So the consistency of the 250 person limit makes me think I missed some announcement at the federal level.

It seems completely arbitrary.

I work at the University of Miami and they have cancelled all meetings/events through at least the end of the month that have 50 or more participants.

This inconsistency and confusion is why there needs to be more science/medical based evidence communicated as to why all of these disruptions are necessary.

Tell us why specifically this pandemic is worse and needs more drastic action than the most recent pandemic, the Swine Flu ten years ago which killed 12,000+ Americans and 500,000+ worldwide.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

Is she in a nursing home ?

She would be if she could afford it. Currently living with my uncle, who also has debilitating health issues.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Setting aside the problem with the elderly/vulnerable population for a moment, I think it's got the potential to kill more, and that's something that's not really being discussed. Someone posted that article about the first guy to catch it, and it sounded like he almost died as a healthy 48 year old. So it made me realize that the current death rate is happening with medical intervention. Without it, the death rate would likely be notably higher and this would truly be a historic event.

This

Finally the core of the matter is starting to sink in.
Mortality rate in Italy is up to about 10% with an almost equal distribution of deaths in the population over 50.
Which I would not consider neither "elderly nor "vulnerable"

[displacedinMN]

While others are able to work from home,
retail workers are the last ones standing during this #panicbuying #Coronavirus pandemic.

Do you know if your store is taking the necessary measures to protect you and your community? pic.twitter.com/nbUGAX3n44

— United for Respect (@forrespect) March 13, 2020

hey, I have nothing else to do.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

This is about the only time I am glad my mom is not around any more. She would be freaking....even though she lived a half mile from anyone and barely went anywhere.

And mine, who's gone and was in the medical profession, would just be shaking her head and pouring another whiskey while talking about stupid people.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Fish

She would be if she could afford it. Currently living with my uncle, who also has debilitating health issues.

I’m sorry to hear that. I have had 15 plus family members in nursing homes thru my last 48 years and most of them were just waiting to die and it seemed as though the majority of people were just in vegetative state. Not all and your mom would be in the majority of people but if my mom was in a nursing home and was mentally good I would take her out for as much time as I would need to until it was gone or controlled . But a nursing home right now is just asking for death.

Again you are right many may be ok but being in nursing homes as much as I have and having a wife who is a nurse who is in them all the time the vast majority are just waiting to die anyway.