***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yikes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...pore-hong-kong

Case numbers, yes. But Italy is suffering a CFR of almost 8%. We aren't. Not even close. China is half that.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Donger

Case numbers, yes. But Italy is suffering a CFR of almost 8%. We aren't. Not even close. China is half that.

CFR?

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

many people on the right don't want to acknowledge this.


Still a few hold outs on the left as well but calling it a flu is ****ing reeruned at this point.

Stop

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, I think there have been 2 confirmed cases of re-infection. Chicken Pox does the same thing. Acquired immunity isn't 100% effective, obviously. Never has been for any virus anywhere.

Again I guess I just have to ask - if you're not on board with the possibility of acquired immunity being effective long-term, is your solution ultimately a vaccine or bust? And given that most people seem to think that a vaccine is probably still a year out, are you really advocating for a 12 month shutdown of the nation to prevent spread while we figure it out?

From every one of these simulations, the biggest gun in our arsenal IS acquired immunity. If that's not a thing that happens, NONE of this matters. You can't 'flatten the curve' because the eligible population never reduces. That's what I think most people that note that curve seem to be missing. the curve trickles away BECAUSE of acquired immunity so if you want to operate in a world where we can't rely on it, then just chuck all this shit out the window because none of those curves are relevant.

So again - there's an admittedly fine line to walk here. But I don't think the answer is to just keep ratcheting in one direction. In the end you'll go back to where we started.

I think for now we are doing the right thing and hopefully socially distancing ourselves and spring time will buy us enough time until winter and a hopeful vaccine.

Also I honestly don't believe though that this just started popping up this month. I believe it has been here longer and more smarter people than me like this scientist from John Hopkins has been researching this. Look at MO and she said they have been in contact with Mo Dept of Health about this. My girlfriend had all the symptoms and signs of the cornovirus back in February.

Regions 7 and 10 and a number of states are showing some unusual activity, particularly CA and MO. But we have important caveats (click each picture to see more). 2/3 pic.twitter.com/alBWcLqqcq

— Caitlin Rivers, PhD (@cmyeaton) March 13, 2020

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

CFR?

Case fatality rate.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Donger

Case numbers, yes. But Italy is suffering a CFR of almost 8%. We aren't. Not even close. China is half that.

That many people infected will put more stress on our healthcare system and would continue to ruin the economy though.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Donger

Case fatality rate.

ty

[Donger]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

today is my last day of work.


I got one more check coming than I have no idea how I'm gonna pay my share of rent.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/tech/...rus/index.html

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

Let's see them justify it. Many have already grounded 20% of their fleet or more.

they treat us like cattle. Completely forgot what customer service is. Let their stewardess’s behave like dictators on planes. Act like they are doing us a favor by giving us a bag of peanuts. **** them. The government can run them and treat us like shit just fine.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Case numbers, yes. But Italy is suffering a CFR of almost 8%. We aren't. Not even close. China is half that.

I don't know WTF is going on with Italy. I mean yeah, we know about their aging population and what not but they are running twice and closer to three times the global average in mortality rate.

Meanwhile we have dropped from 2.5% last week to between 1.7%-1.8% this week. Even has our cases increase we at least for the time being are holding that level. Hopefully it goes down more.

But we certainly do not seem to be on the path of Italy at this point.

[Kiimo]

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/uw-...F6EYHTVBH22GI/



University of Washington has drive-thru testing going already. I imagine this will be happening everywhere soon. Good thing, too, I'll ignore that Los Angeles would get everybody back into their cars to get tested

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

That many people infected will put more stress on our healthcare system and would continue to ruin the economy though.

Yes, it will. That's why it's up to every American (regardless of age) to take common sense precautions as best they can.

[DaneMcCloud]

I just received a notice from LAUSD that any student, K-12, that doesn't currently have internet access or speeds greater than 100 mbps can get free internet access with a wireless router from Charter/Spectrum.

It sounds as if they're anticipating finishing the school year at home.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

they treat us like cattle. Completely forgot what customer service is. Let their stewardess’s behave like dictators on planes. Act like they are doing us a favor by giving us a bag of peanuts. **** them. The government can run them and treat us like shit just fine.

Not if you have status.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/uw-...F6EYHTVBH22GI/



University of Washington has drive-thru testing going already. I imagine this will be happening everywhere soon. Good thing, too, I'll ignore that Los Angeles would get everybody back into their cars to get tested

Well, the President said on Friday it would start this week. It's good to see it is. And we owe thanks to Wal-Mart and Target and others for opening up their parking lots to help this.

This is how we are going to deal with as compared to the rest of the world. Public-Private partnership.