***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

How to make sure your credit is so bad, you can't get a loan for a pack of bubble gum for $1000, Alex.

[Kiimo]

Since when is rent listed on your credit report

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Since when is rent listed on your credit report

They can technically report you to collections, which would damage your credit. Smaller landlords might not mess with it, but some would.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Since when is rent listed on your credit report

Rent can positively and negatively affect your credit like anything else

[Dunit35]

Originally Posted by SuperChief

Which Chrysler you looking at?

Originally Posted by burt

It'll happen. We have 0 for 84 months with payment deferment of 120 days. 0% is easier with the current low % from the fed....

We’ve been eyeing a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT for some time. If FCA comes up with a zero percent financing deal it might push us over the edge. Best I could find was for a Compass or Renegade. A huge negative is there isn’t an SRT that matches our wants in our state and hasn’t been since we started looking.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

In short, yes, it is due to a lack of testing. Here is a daily update on the number of tests run by the CDC and public health labs: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ing-in-us.html

By day 72 of H1N1 we were averaging over 13K confirmations/day if you include all 72 days. That means there were literally millions of tests done in that time span.

With COVID-19 we're still at under 40K tests total, and the vast, vast majority of those have been in the past three weeks...meaning we lost close to two months of prep time and data collection.

I hope that argument is correct but if it is that means close to a million people have the virus so its not even remotely as lethal as we think.

No matter how you slice it it looks like shutting the country down is very questionable when compared to H1N1.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by DaFace

They can technically report you to collections, which would damage your credit. Smaller landlords might not mess with it, but some would.

Yep, most of the big ones around here do and obviously if you quit making your house strokes, it will make the bank very sad and it will get reported.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

maybe you should quit worrying about other posters and contribute some knowledge to the thread.

You have no knowledge other than posting twitter blogs. You state things you did over 10 years or more ago. Some reason all the things you used to do you no longer do. Possibly because you sucked at them? I dont post things I have no expertise in unlike you who all your experience is decades ago. How I know your full of shit is you said you had put me on ignore yet here you are.

[displacedinMN]

Popped back in.....saw the discussion of education and holding kids back.


I would say that will not happen. Lots of IF's

IF teachers do online instruction
IF students complete tasks/assessments
IF students pass.
They will not be held back. Not like anyone is anymore anyway.

[BigRedChief]

We have essentially closed most restaurants in the USA. I had no idea how many people are employed by them or have ancillary jobs due to providing supplies to restaurant. Hard to find independent data.

The restaurant industry site says 15.6 million. If true, having 15 million citizens all of a sudden not have any money coming in, beyond their personal financial issues, has to devastating to our economy.

https://restaurant.org/research/repo...stryRestaurant
Industry Facts at a Glance

• $899 billion: Restaurant industry's projected sales in 2020
• 1 million+: Restaurant locations in the United States
• 15.6 million: Restaurant industry employees
• 1.6 million: New restaurant jobs created by 2030
• 9 in 10 restaurant managers started in entry-level positions
• 8 in 10 restaurant owners started their industry careers in entry-level positions
• 9 in 10 restaurants have fewer than 50 employees
• 7 in 10 restaurants are single-unit operations
• Restaurants employ more minority managers than any other industry
• 63% of consumers would rather spend on an experience than purchase an item
• The number of middle-class jobs ($45K-$75K) in the restaurant industry grew 84% between 2010 and 2018, more than 3 times faster than in the overall economy.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We have essentially closed most restaurants in the USA. I had no idea how many people are employed by them or have ancillary jobs due to providing supplies to restaurant. Hard to find independent data.

The restaurant industry site says 15.6 million. If true, having 15 million citizens all of a sudden not have any money coming in, beyond their personal financial issues, has to devastating to our economy.

https://restaurant.org/research/repo...stryRestaurant Industry Facts at a Glance

• $899 billion: Restaurant industry's projected sales in 2020
• 1 million+: Restaurant locations in the United States
• 15.6 million: Restaurant industry employees
• 1.6 million: New restaurant jobs created by 2030
• 9 in 10 restaurant managers started in entry-level positions
• 8 in 10 restaurant owners started their industry careers in entry-level positions
• 9 in 10 restaurants have fewer than 50 employees
• 7 in 10 restaurants are single-unit operations
• Restaurants employ more minority managers than any other industry
• 63% of consumers would rather spend on an experience than purchase an item
• The number of middle-class jobs ($45K-$75K) in the restaurant industry grew 84% between 2010 and 2018, more than 3 times faster than in the overall economy.

Do you live in a cave? This is another reason you shouldn't post about thing you don't know about which apparently is a vast data base.

[displacedinMN]

Twitter #socialdistancingpickuplines It is funny.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Soci...d_click&f=live

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by srvy

Do you live in a cave? This is another reason you shouldn't post about thing you don't know about which apparently is a vast data base.

Yeah, I'm not generally a 'pile on' sort as I like to tell people they're idiots in my own special way.

But c'mon - if you don't realize the impact of the restaurant and hotel industry on our economy and how devastating it will be to America when we shut those down, I think you can probably bow out of the 'WE HAVE TO SHUT IT DOWN!!!' conversation.

These are EXACTLY the concerns that so many people are trying to raise and being shouted down over.

And it's only the tip of the iceberg if we cannot find a path forward.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No matter how you slice it it looks like shutting the country down is very questionable when compared to H1N1.

H1N1 had a fatality rate of 0.02%

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

H1N1 had a fatality rate of 0.02%

Did you read what we were discussing?