***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I don't understand the media distrust aspect, if the media had come out and said this was nothing to worry about and keep doing what you are doing would people has trusted that or is there only distrust when it doesn't match your viewpoint.

should the media start using reverse psychology or double reverse psychology?

They could start by telling us the truth all the time so we don’t have to pick through everything to weed out slant, lies, etc.

Remember Tyreek Hill last off-season?

[wazu]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It's spooky no matter how you look at it.

It's spooky that our military has tanks?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I worry about what happens with our ventilator supply. There will be a ton of collateral damage in our health care system if we are not able to slow down this virus.

Many people need ventilator help for reasons unrelated to COVID-19. My dad needed ventilator help for about 48 hours a number of years ago. He made an amazing recovery, but the ventilator was very important for his survival in early hours of being in the hospital. His pulse was very low and he was losing a lot of blood, on his way to death. The ventilator played a critical role in helping him recover.

The situation with my dad is just one of so many examples out there that are happening every day in our health care system. We cannot afford to let COVID-19 become so widespread that it causes a bunch of collateral damage fatalities in the health care system due to a shortage of ventilators.

When I was working in the ICU the average time on the vent was 37.5 hours. A little skewed because of post-op surgery when we will take them off the vent the next day but most patients that I took care of on the vents were like your Dad. They have a life threatening crisis for 48 hours. We take over his breathing for him. Get whatever caused this under control, take him off the vent. They go on with their lives.

Whats concerning me is the lack of PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) in hospitals. I would have been fired immediately if I used the same mask or protective gown on a patient then used the same PPE when I went to a new patient. Walked me out the door. Put me in front of the board to explain myself. Potentially lost my license and career.

Now, you have people using the same mask for 5 days on every patient. Using sports googles, bandannas, scarfs, etc. What do you think is going to happen? The care givers are going to get sick. They will take the bug's home, infect their families. Get sick themselves and take out more of our nations available health care workers to help others battle this crisis.

The patients are going to possibly get every bug in the hospital. You don't have to work in the medical field to figure out whats going to happen due to a lack of PPE. More people are going to die that didn't need to if we don't get PPE into hospitals.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by wazu

It's spooky that our military has tanks?

Yes!!!!

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Would have to look at the numbers but I imagine the hardest industry hit at the moment is the service industry. Theyll all be back by June.

The hardest hit is the travel industry and it will be that way for a long time for them.

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[SuperBowl4]

I just watched a video on YouTube titled "WE ARE BEING PLAYED" on the AMAZING POLLY channel . Who exactly is handling the Coronavirus task force in the USA? It's worth a look.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4

I just watched a video on YouTube titled "WE ARE BEING PLAYED" on the AMAZING POLLY channel . Who exactly is handling the Coronavirus task force in the USA? It's worth a look.

Step away from the internet.. it will make you nuts..

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Kman34

Step away from the internet.. it will make you nuts..

how many of his posts have you ever read? Way way way too late for that.

[BigRedChief]

Got some new figures from my RT buddies

• We have 7600 licensed Respiratory Therapists in the USA
• Lets say they work 8 hours a day with no days off for 2 months. 3 shifts.
• Around 2533 RT's available in the USA to run vents in our hospitals on any given shift.
• We usually run 3-4 ventilators max at a time. Lets double that to 6-8 vents at a time in this time of crisis.
• In the USA, our capacity to have trained and licsensed staff to run ventilators at the same time is 20,264
• We have more than 20,264 of us needing vents at the same time.... decisions on safety will need to be made by someone.

And in my experience, you don't want about 20% of those RT's running your families ventilator.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by penguinz

You think tanks are needed to fight a virus?

Originally Posted by petegz28

It's spooky no matter how you look at it.

No context, means nothing at all. How do I even know that this is a recent picture?

[Donger]

Starting to smell like DC in here...

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Donger

Starting to smell like DC in here...

i'm getting ready to start with the bleach and lysol...

[O.city]

So the 3rd bill the senate is taking under has massive spending for small businesses and loans that will allow them to keep paying payroll and potentially forgives the loans after 4 months if they don’t release anyone?

That would help

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by O.city

So the 3rd bill the senate is taking under has massive spending for small businesses and loans that will allow them to keep paying payroll and potentially forgives the loans after 4 months if they don’t release anyone?

That would help

depends on what they are classifying as a small business

[Dayze]

did I hear right that if you make over 99k, you're ass out in terms of assistance?