***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by TLO

Go directly do DC. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

Dr. Fauci's expression of exasperation speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

The reporters would drive me nuts.

EDIT (for Donger): On second thought....the reporters are simply doing their job; if one can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

So she got tested, didn't know the results, but didn't seek medical help with the symptoms she had... I'll take this with a grain of salt.

Most people that have symptoms aren't getting tested and are told to go home to self-quarantine for 14 days.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

That too...

Would you delete that, please? Thanks.

[oaklandhater]

They are getting younger and younger in the ICU 30's and 40's in lombardy

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You said lungs can heal themselves, then said there is no proof this virus is causing permanent damage.

Lung can’t heal themselves, there is no proof that it is not causing damage.


It is not my fault you’re google is only able to find conspiracy theory websites. But it’s ok bud not everyone gets it.

I’ve never smoked and I had always heard that they will heal up, at least somewhat once a person quits smoking. Upon googling “can damaged lungs heal”, it appears that they can (assuming all of the articles posted are correct).

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You said lungs can heal themselves, then said there is no proof this virus is causing permanent damage.



Lung can’t heal themselves, there is no proof that it is not causing damage.





It is not my fault you’re google is only able to find conspiracy theory websites. But it’s ok bud not everyone gets it.

I’m beginning to think you aren’t very intelligent

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Fish

St. Louis now stay at home orders...

In order to prevent further spread of #COVID19 in the #STL region, @DrSamPage and I will be enacting mandatory stay at home orders, effective on Monday.

The measures will still allow residents to receive basic services & meet basic needs.

Will have more to share this afternoon. pic.twitter.com/DFddvV507k

— Mayor Lyda Krewson (@LydaKrewson) March 21, 2020

Does a city Mayor have that type of authority? Seems like something that would have to come from the state.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

no agenda here I'm in the same age bracket as her.

[SupDock]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...6/#__sec3title

Importantly, in the LHS, smoking cessation was associated with a slower decline in lung function and reduced risk of hospitalization and total mortality. Participants in the special intervention group plus a placebo inhaler, who became sustained quitters, experienced a forced expiratory volume in one second (FEV1) decline of only 34 mL/year. In contrast, those who continued to smoke experienced an FEV1*decline of 63 mL/year.7*Thus, smoking cessation nearly halved the rate of descent in FEV1*in patients with mild to moderate COPD. Smokers who quit and then took up smoking again had FEV1*declines that fell somewhere in between that of sustained quitters and continued smokers.7Interestingly, female continued smokers experienced a faster decline in lung function compared with male continued smokers for the amount of cigarettes they smoked.16*However, female smokers experienced larger gains in lung function when they stopped smoking compared with male quitters.6*Smokers who quit and re-initiated smoking at multiple times experienced a slower decline in FEV1*than continued smokers, for the same number of cigarettes they smoked.16*Together, these data suggest that smoking cessation significantly reduces disease progression in mild to moderate COPD and that even having multiple relapses is better than continued smoking in terms of disease progression. Tobacco treatment is particularly important for women, who appear to have increased susceptibility to disease progression with continued smoking but also derive larger benefits with smoking cessation compared with male smokers.


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Slower decline, and reduced risk of hospitilazation and death. That is not the same as healing, but also doesn't say "there is no benefit"

This is a study of patients with COPD.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

My sister got it and recovered in less than a week. No reduced lung function.

Originally Posted by SupDock

Got COPD and recovered?

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

You don't know that.

Originally Posted by Monticore

You said lungs can heal themselves, then said there is no proof this virus is causing permanent damage.

Lung can’t heal themselves, there is no proof that it is not causing damage.


It is not my fault you’re google is only able to find conspiracy theory websites. But it’s ok bud not everyone gets it.

the last part of your lung before the oxygen gets on the hemoglobin and goes around to the body is called the alveoli.

Once those alveoli are damaged by COPD or other diseases. That’s it. Those alveoli Never, ever recover. Full stop. Period. Anyone saying different is lying.

That doesn’t mean you can’t improve the rest of your lung function that’s left by exercise, medicines etc. People with COPD do it every day.

Doesn’t mean if you get the coronavirus and end up on a vent you won’t live a normal life after the crisis. But, once the lungs are damaged. That’s it. No repair.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Does a city Mayor have that type of authority? Seems like something that would have to come from the state.

Mayors in California have that authority.

I have no idea about Missouri but I'd imagine so since the Mayor is making the order.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

the last part of your lung before the oxygen gets on the hemoglobin and goes around to the body is called the alveoli.

Once those alveoli are damaged by COPD or other diseases. That’s it. Those alveoli Never, ever recover. Full stop. Period. Anyone saying different is lying.

That doesn’t mean you can’t improve the rest of your lung function that’s left by exercise, medicines etc. People with COPD do it every day.

This is correct

We do need to differentiate between chronic damage vs bronchoconstriction and inflammation, as those can improve.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by TLO

Same thing with the flu.
And a lot of other diseases.

We don't even know if she actually died from the coronavirus. (Though it's certainly possible, if not likely)

These types of stories don't help anyone. They spread fear.

I'm not trying to scare anyone. I said in my post it is rare that young people die from this but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. What should I say that no young people will ever die from this?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

So this other dude says lungs can’t self-repair and you agree.

He says this virus causes damage to the lungs so I ask how they’re sure of that. You ask me how they’d know if it was permanent after only 2-3 months.

If the lungs can’t repair themselves as you say then any damage they receive would be permanent, no?

Why don’t you two just provide some links to legitimate scientific articles? You’re just a couple jamokes on a message board. Why would I take anything you’re saying at face value?

Like I told you use google. You won't believe what anybody else posts. It is your M. O. So look it up your damn self. Like I said you will see some that say they will clean themselves and that they are capable when and if they are not exposed to pollutants any more which includes pollen, perfumes and any type of strong odor. I have been to 3 Pulmonologists that have told me there is no repairing lungs no matter what you eat or do to try and change your routines.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I'm not trying to scare anyone. I said in my post it is rare that young people die from this but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. What should I say that no young people will ever die from this?

I apologize, my post wasn't directed towards you. It was towards oaklandhater, who is now on ignore.