***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Fun fact as you continue to ride the panic train for COVID-19.

80% of the global deaths from the 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic occurred in people younger than 65 years of age.

There were 500,000+ global deaths from the Swine Flu pandemic so you can do the math.

Were you equally as panicked during that pandemic?

do you remember china welding people into buildings over swine or italy having 700+ deaths a day from it ?

I got swine it was easy most people kicked that shit.

from the stories I read on this even if you do survive it you will never forget it.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

A bit about me: I’m a generally healthy, 44-year-old male, 153 lbs. (surely less now), 5’7”, no drugs , rarely drink, no health conditions other than exercise-induced asthma, which I manage with an inhaler. #COVID19 #coronavirus #LatsCovid19Journal

— David Lat (@DavidLat) March 17, 2020

That exercise induced Asthma has nothing to do with the severity of his condition...

[oaklandhater]

https://www.wavy.com/news/health/cor...ng-on-produce/

Police investigate ‘disturbing’ video of Virginia teens coughing on produce


WTF is wrong with people ?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Currently in NY the total deaths as a percentage total cases is at .04% For as fast as they are climbing in cases let's hope this stays low like this.

How did you figure that?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

How did you figure that?

admittedly it was a typo, it is .4%

56 total deaths / 11,645 cases

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Fun fact as you continue to ride the panic train for COVID-19.

80% of the global deaths from the 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic occurred in people younger than 65 years of age.

There were 500,000+ global deaths from the Swine Flu pandemic so you can do the math.

Were you equally as panicked during that pandemic?

Did you think that was a Chinese chemical attack too.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

do you remember china welding people into buildings over swine or italy having 700+ deaths a day from it ?

I got swine it was easy most people kicked that shit.

from the stories I read on this even if you do survive it you will never forget it.

80% of people who get COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms.

But don't let that stop you from your panicked conjecture.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

https://www.wavy.com/news/health/cor...ng-on-produce/

Police investigate ‘disturbing’ video of Virginia teens coughing on produce


WTF is wrong with people ?

Same dumb ****s that eat out of an ice cream container and puts in back into the grocery freezer. Same dumb ****s that don't know they should not be at the beach.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

People are NOT socially distancing themselves at the Cherry Blossoms this year...
Despite the headlines
despite the warnings
despite the climbing cases of #coronavirus
despite the posted signs.
NPS is not closing the Tidal Basinhttps://t.co/owad7X2Ffr pic.twitter.com/z4i5vFn6Vv

— Mike Valerio (@MikevWUSA) March 21, 2020

this is why a shutdown is going to have to come down from on high.

Shutting things down and building more ventilators are the only real weapons we have absent some new anti-viral therapy. This is all math at this point. The number of victims in the number of places are consistent enough to show that:

Current infected x
Number of times daily infections double in 14 days =
Total Cumulative Infected x
20% who require hospitalization x
25% of hospitalized who require life support =
Number who need ventilators -
Number of ventilators available x
75 to 90% =
Total Deaths

Only thing we can currently change, absent some new treatment, is the rate of new infections (by sheltering in place) and number of ventilators available.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

80% of people who get COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms.

But don't let that stop you from your panicked conjecture.

china fudge the numbers if you only had a fever and a cough they put down mild.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

china fudge the numbers if you only had a fever and a cough they put down mild.

And you are considering "only a fever and a cough" something more than mild, in your professional medical opinion?

"Only a fever and a cough" sounds like something we in non-hysterical world call the common cold.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by SupDock

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...6/#__sec3title

Importantly, in the LHS, smoking cessation was associated with a slower decline in lung function and reduced risk of hospitalization and total mortality. Participants in the special intervention group plus a placebo inhaler, who became sustained quitters, experienced a forced expiratory volume in one second (FEV1) decline of only 34 mL/year. In contrast, those who continued to smoke experienced an FEV1*decline of 63 mL/year.7*Thus, smoking cessation nearly halved the rate of descent in FEV1*in patients with mild to moderate COPD. Smokers who quit and then took up smoking again had FEV1*declines that fell somewhere in between that of sustained quitters and continued smokers.7Interestingly, female continued smokers experienced a faster decline in lung function compared with male continued smokers for the amount of cigarettes they smoked.16*However, female smokers experienced larger gains in lung function when they stopped smoking compared with male quitters.6*Smokers who quit and re-initiated smoking at multiple times experienced a slower decline in FEV1*than continued smokers, for the same number of cigarettes they smoked.16*Together, these data suggest that smoking cessation significantly reduces disease progression in mild to moderate COPD and that even having multiple relapses is better than continued smoking in terms of disease progression. Tobacco treatment is particularly important for women, who appear to have increased susceptibility to disease progression with continued smoking but also derive larger benefits with smoking cessation compared with male smokers.


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Slower decline, and reduced risk of hospitilazation and death. That is not the same as healing, but also doesn't say "there is no benefit"

This is a study of patients with COPD.

Fair enough. As I mentioned, whatever it was that I read, it was a long time ago. Hell it may have been high school. I certainly don't remember the wording and it's entirely possible I misinterpreted it. Either way, I didn't ****ing listen.

[FloridaMan88]

Kansas City is under house arrest now...

Kansas City metro under stay-at-home order effective Tuesday as coronavirus spreads

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/coro...#storylink=cpy

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

80% of people who get COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms.

But don't let that stop you from your panicked conjecture.

This is true.

The other 20% and a finite supply of doctors/ventilators is the problem.

If NYC gets its doubling down to once every 4 days then they’ll need 3,000 ventilators from somewhere to save around 2500 people. If it doubles every other day, the way the US numbers are currently going, then they could end up needing to find 15,000 more ventilators.

Just in NYC.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

your conflating different diseases and issues. Please see my earlier post on how the lungs get oxygen into the body.

Longer term smoking can cause damage to those alveoli or not. Depends on how much and how long you smoked.

When you smoke you basically burn off the cilia. These cilia are what help you remove phlegm from your lungs. I have a 13 pack year history of smoking. When I quit, the cilia grew back and I didn’t damage the avolei. So under your reference point, the lungs did self heal.

But, you damage the alveoli. That’s it. They are forever damaged.

I'm not conflating anything. Nearly everyone who's quoted me in this thread has misinterpreted what I'm saying/asking.