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Remember Pat Tillman
Today is the 15th anniversary of Pat Tillman's tragic death. Give some thought to this hero today and to his fellow soldiers and veterans. Steven Elliott, the Army Ranger who was involved as the shooter in that horrible friendly fire incident, has a book coming out in May that talks about his struggles and his road to recovery after the incident. All the proceeds from that book will go to organizations serving the mental health needs of active duty and veterans. https://www.amazon.com/War-Story-Mem.../dp/1496429923
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He should have never been there.
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What’s with all this negativity with Tillman these days?
Guy was there because he wanted to be there. Maybe it’s not what you or I would have done in his position, but it was his life. Mad respect for what he did.
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https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...0hhrg41930.htm
https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04...ing/index.html Three ARMY investigations around that time have always bugged me for senior ARMY officer involvement and story telling- particularly early on in the events. I had involvement then in the other two.Not in Ranger Tillman’s but I have always been bothered by it. A good place to think is from the Pat Tillman bridge: https://www.hdrinc.com/portfolio/mik...ver-dam-bypass In case you’re curious/bored, the other 2 involving story telling then that I think then showed an overzealousness to get in front of strategic messaging and tales by senior ARMY officers; Jessica Lynch: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/re...-jessica-lynch MarSoc with local KC connection: https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/new...ion-from-hqmc/ Chaos Mattis kinda got some justice here, by preventing 1 of the story tellers from becoming a Combatant Commander, years later -but hardly equitable. |
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I know Fred Galvin well. Spent many, many hours discussing his and Fox Company's ordeal and wrote a few letters on his behalf, to likely no effect. Yes, some senior ranking A R M Y officers massively over-reacted and incredulously sided with the Afghan's story over our own troops. I find that incredibly disheartening, but perhaps not unsurprising considering whom was involved-- as I worked on Nicholson's staff once upon a time. However, and I may be speaking out of turn, Fred will tell you he was hung out to dry by more than a few U S M C senior ranking officers as well, and does not have much of anything positive to say about the highly lauded former SECDEF/Warrior Monk who seems to have a popular following. But of course just one man's keyhole perspective...there's always three sides. |
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It was jammed down usmc throats but in fairness the USMC had spoken for years out both sides of our mouths, and we knew it. I don’t dispute Fred’s or perhaps your view of chaos. But that is a little inside baseball. I had battles with Jim ever since he was a Bn Co. He always out ranked me, so tough to win unless I called bigger or equal dogs or could stand squarely on history/doctrine. He never forgets. I learned to use his chief (always moved with him while he was a GO. A old Co.co.for him). I will share that some sense of ‘Chaos justice “ about Fred is why I think as SECDEF, Chaos prevented the original Army investigator from becoming a Combatant Commander, as he felt he was destined to be. It was never about tactical capabilities, it was about Operational Control. Fred’s case was caught up in all of this beltway fight. His case will never be right. It started with the first investigator in my opinion (never liked that guy, when I dealt with him before so there’s my bias.). I still believe he was chosen to keep the “Secret- no MarSoc” ArSOF philosophy. All led to chicken-shits of both services and Fred’s guys hung out-in my opinion. Last edited by Coyote; 03-27-2020 at 12:33 PM.. |
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03-27-2020, 12:52 PM | #52 |
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Fascinating stuff. Well to me anyway, thanks for sharing to both of you.
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03-27-2020, 12:57 PM | #53 |
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And here I thought I was the only weird oh. As I read cheaters post, I realized my own was too harsh on the Army in Fred’s case. Both services had plenty of blame for leadership failures. I was thinking more about Ranger Tillman and Lynch as part of my Army centric rant.
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