***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hammock Parties]

USA already over 200 deaths today.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Trump considering short term quarantine of NY, NJ and Connecticut

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ey-connecticut

This should have been the approach from day 1 Take more strict measures on the more high risk and populated areas while leaving the low risk area alone to drive commerce.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

This should have been the approach from day 1 Take more strict measures on the more high risk and populated areas while leaving the low risk area alone to drive commerce.

There aren’t low risk areas.

It’s just timing of where the waves are hitting

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

There aren’t low risk areas.

It’s just timing of where the waves are hitting

That's not 100% true. Areas that are dense such as NY are much more or a risk than say middle america which is fairly spread out.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's not 100% true. Areas that are dense such as NY are much more or a risk than say middle america which is fairly spread out.

More risk because there are more people and are around each other more sure

But there’s also a lot more hospitals and health care available. In some rural areas that’s not the case

The wave is breaking on New York now. It will break on other areas at different times. It’s not really debatable. That’s why it’s better to shut it all down

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/farzad_md/status...642436097?s=21

Here’s possibly some good news that the measures in New York are working

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

More risk because there are more people and are around each other more sure

But there’s also a lot more hospitals and health care available. In some rural areas that’s not the case

The wave is breaking on New York now. It will break on other areas at different times. It’s not really debatable. That’s why it’s better to shut it all down

I think it is debatable. What is happening in NY may happen elsewhere and may not. We cannot say for sure that what is going on in NY will happen everywhere.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Trump considering short term quarantine of NY, NJ and Connecticut

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ey-connecticut

The only thing open in NY.
The Subway system.. How brilliant

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I think it is debatable. What is happening in NY may happen elsewhere and may not. We cannot say for sure that what is going on in NY will happen everywhere.

It’s already happening elsewhere

Take a look at New Orleans and LA

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/farzad_md/status...642436097?s=21

Here’s possibly some good news that the measures in New York are working

New York hasn’t grown as fast as initially feared.

But we’re seeing in Italy that even when all travel is restricted if you still allow some the virus continues to spread.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I think it is debatable. What is happening in NY may happen elsewhere and may not. We cannot say for sure that what is going on in NY will happen everywhere.

It's not debatable. It will happen and it's already happening. The numbers just aren't going to look as impressive because you're talking about smaller towns. Look at that article I posted about Albany, GA. They're making nurses continue to work even though they've tested positive, and their hospital system turned to the underground market to buy supplies.

It's just never going to seem as impressive as New York because there aren't a bazillion people there. But if you're living there it's going to be a nightmare. It's not like that scene will play out in every single town, but it's going to happen and it's going to be ugly.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Send in Snake

Fun fact: James Cameron was largely responsible for building the miniatures in EFNY, including the city skyline and glider.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tk13

It's not debatable. It will happen and it's already happening. The numbers just aren't going to look as impressive because you're talking about smaller towns. Look at that article I posted about Albany, GA. They're making nurses continue to work even though they've tested positive, and their hospital system turned to the underground market to buy supplies.

It's just never going to seem as impressive as New York because there aren't a bazillion people there. But if you're living there it's going to be a nightmare. It's not like that scene will play out in every single town, but it's going to happen and it's going to be ugly.

We don't know that. It might. It could. It also might not.

[gblowfish]

Les Nessman, visionary!

[tk13]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We don't know that. It might. It could. It also might not.

I would say forcing health care workers to work while they have a very contagious virus because your system if overwhelmed is extremely ugly, but it's a free country and you're welcome to disagree.