***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's triage. Every DR knows about it.

no shit. They are just modifying it for their needs. Everyone will use it as their base to develop their own version. There is no way there will be a national consensus on how we decide who lives and who dies. No one ever thought we’d ever get to that point. We are close enough now, that everyone needs a plan.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Appreciate it. She lost the sense of smell and taste and that made her go get tested. Zero fever and only minor respiratory discomfort. Fingers crossed it’s mild.

positive thoughts heading your way.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Yes more testing should be done, but I am saying with limited resources, you do not focus as much resources testing the clearly sick, but the ones with mild or no symptoms. This group appears to be the biggest piece of this puzzle that we need to go after ASAP.

Priority testing is going to critical supply line workers. We need to know when they can return to work, or if they should be off work.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Priority testing is going to critical supply line workers. We need to know when they can return to work, or if they should be off work.

Do not dispute that one at all that is a given. However, the incoming patients in the emergency room perhaps we could modify our approach is what I am saying.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Any positive news today??? Anything flattening our?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You stamp out the fire. Then, once the main blaze hasn't overwhelmed you, you can ease back.

What you don't do is move back into the house while the fire is still spreading.

You post a lot of stuff from Gottlieb. This is the plan he worked on with AEI.

AEI is not a credible network IMO

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

AEI is not a credible network IMO

Network?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Network?

It's a right wing think tank that networks folks who have been historically wrong on damn near every major event in my lifetime.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

It's a right wing think tank that networks folks who have been historically wrong on damn near every major event in my lifetime.

I knew of it as a think tank, just never heard of it described as a network before.

[WhawhaWhat]

“For you to get on the bus … and cough several times w/o covering up your mouth and you know (we’re) in the middle of a pandemic — that lets me know that some folks don’t care,” bus driver Jason Hargrove said 2 weeks ago.

This week he died from COVID-19. pic.twitter.com/6bYeCimm9Q

— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) April 4, 2020

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I knew of it as a think tank, just never heard of it described as a network before.

I'll reframe from going into more detail as I can't without making it political but I will say anything put out by them I take with a huge grain of salt as I don't believe they are going into this objective with the best interest of every American. I'm open to be proven wrong but knowing their history I don't trust them.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I'll reframe from going into more detail as I can't without making it political but I will say anything put out by them I take with a huge grain of salt as I don't believe they are going into this objective with the best interest of every American. I'm open to be proven wrong but knowing their history I don't trust them.

I'll say this: knowing their biases I was extremely surprised at the extent of the steps they wanted to take to curb the spread of the disease and how measured their approach was. I expecting to read something much closer to "we should just open up everything now." That was decidedly not the case.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Maslowski

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/down...04032020-2.pdf

Would love to see a breakout of the underlying conditions because most regular people wouldn’t see some of those things as an “underlying condition” when you hear that term.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Would love to see a breakout of the underlying conditions because most regular people wouldn’t see some of those things as an “underlying condition” when you hear that term.

Same here. There is no clarification in that regard.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'll say this: knowing their biases I was extremely surprised at the extent of the steps they wanted to take to curb the spread of the disease and how measured their approach was. I expecting to read something much closer to "we should just open up everything now." That was decidedly not the case.

Interesting. I'll have to give it a look.

I'll throw this out there and i'm interested in your take: There seems to be a line of thinking that at some point the economy collapsing which I suppose could be more of a disaster than the virus itself. I agree with measures taken to combat the virus at this moment but what do you think we should do if in a few months we continue this economic downfall and there's little to suggest we've minimized the virus? It seems to be there will be a vaccine possibly by that point but I just don't see how we can go into the fall and do the samething thing we're doing for the 2nd wave. I'm also skeptical we will have a very effective treatment until this time next year. At that point won't the open everything up crowd have some credibility?