Call Your Shot: Who’s the Chiefs first selection in the 2020 Draft

[staylor26]

I’m going with Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

He's 200lbs. He's short but he's rock'd up.

Mathieu was 174lbs
E. Thomas was 202lbs.

This kid is my top S prospect, no doubt.

He has speed, tenacity, pedigree, versatility and he plays with wreckless abandon.

Give me that all day long.

Where do you play him?

He’s not really a nickel/dime backer. We have a center fielder in Thornhill and slot guys in Fenton/Mathieu. Can he hold up at SS? Winfield is probably best in the deep middle or as a Cover 2 split safety.

Love his instincts, closing speed and ball skills, but I question the versatility.

[Mecca]

If you can watch that and tell me he can't make anything happen I'm not sure what you're looking at.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Virtually anything can be shoehorned into an investment to keep Mahomes healthy.

Beef up your defense, cut your points allowed and reduce the number of drop-backs needed by Mahomes by 4-5/gm and you've helped protect him. Or make the drop-backs needed shorter by getting a RB that keeps you ahead of the sticks and you've reduced the number of hits he takes.

The best way to maximize Mahomes is to improve the team around him as much as possible. Hemming yourself into a specific position won't do that.

What happened when Patrick was injured the Chiefs effective attack was eviscerate and we praying that Moore wouldn't **** up.


You're talking about coaching context, and not player involvement.

Look at what Patrick did with an elite RB and decent IOL inspite of horrible coaching on the defense in 2018.

I even said give Mahomes an average defense the Chiefs win the SB IN the beginning of 2019. Low and behold the Chiefs are the SB winners. Which is why we have seen hardly any roster change this offseason because if the defense can manage to be solid the Chiefs are going to be in the SB again..

Chiefs don't have a game manager at QB they need to protect him because of the below average OL and RB play had him limping and then injured for 2 and half games

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you can watch that and tell me he can't make anything happen I'm not sure what you're looking at.

It’s an absurd take.

I get not having Swift as your #1 RB in this class, but to say he can’t create on his own is absurd.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Where do you play him?

He’s not really a nickel/dime backer. We have a center fielder in Thornhill and slot guys in Fenton/Mathieu. Can he hold up at SS? Winfield is probably best in the deep middle or as a Cover 2 split safety.

Love his instincts, closing speed and ball skills, but I question the versatility.

He's absolutely a dime DB and w/ Mathieu's versatility, you kick him down and run Thornhill/Winfield in the back end in Nickel sets. Hell, he has the athleticism to do it in his own right, IMO.

I mean...still not the pick I'd make, but the idea that there's no room for him doesn't play either. If Veach thinks he's the best safety in the class and the best player on the board, take him. Spags will find a good use for him for sure.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

I guarantee we take a WR in either the first or second round

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Where do you play him?

He’s not really a nickel/dime backer. We have a center fielder in Thornhill and slot guys in Fenton/Mathieu. Can he hold up at SS? Winfield is probably best in the deep middle or as a Cover 2 split safety.

Love his instincts, closing speed and ball skills, but I question the versatility.

I mean there could be value in having another guy like Tyrann who I think he’s most comparable too.

But guys like Delpit and Chinn also give you versatility, but in a different package/form.

I don’t really think you could go wrong either way.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's absolutely a dime DB and w/ Mathieu's versatility, you kick him down and run Thornhill/Winfield in the back end in Nickel sets. Hell, he has the athleticism to do it in his own right, IMO.

I mean...still not the pick I'd make, but the idea that there's no room for him doesn't play either. If Veach thinks he's the best safety in the class and the best player on the board, take him. Spags will find a good use for him for sure.

Sorensen does better than HB when you kick him down. HB will play all over and I don’t think he minds that tbh. Thornhill is strictly a safety but could play some CB

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It’s an absurd take.

I get not having Swift as your #1 RB in this class, but to say he can’t create on his own is absurd.

The only real question I have is his pass protection but to be honest he's about where a college back is going to be, he's not awful at it but most college guys just don't do it.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I mean there could be value in having another guy like Tyrann who I think he’s most comparable too.

But guys like Delpit and Chinn also give you versatility, but in a different package/form.

I don’t really think you could go wrong either way.

Delpit is also from LSU and HB bleeds LSU pride. Paid him up with a LSU player and I have no doubt that they would make it work

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The only real question I have is his pass protection but to be honest he's about where a college back is going to be, he's not awful at it but most college guys just don't do it.

Williams is an excellent blocker. I’d have him as the third down back. Swift can rotate in with Williams and Washington

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

What happened when Patrick was injured the Chiefs effective attack was eviscerate and we praying that Moore wouldn't **** up.


You're talking about coaching context, and not player involvement.

Look at what Patrick did with an elite RB and decent IOL inspite of horrible coaching on the defense in 2018.

I even said give Mahomes an average defense the Chiefs win the SB IN the beginning of 2019. Low and behold the Chiefs are the SB winners. Which is why we have seen hardly any roster change this offseason because if the defense can manage to be solid the Chiefs are going to be in the SB again..

Chiefs don't have a game manager at QB they need to protect him because of the below average OL and RB play had him limping and then injured for 2 and half games

Dude got hurt on a QB sneak. Just exactly what kind of player are you going to add that prevents that?

Ultimately you can't team-build out of fear. The best OTs in the league get beat from time to time - and far more often when DL's get to pin their ears back and attack. Your quarterback is gonna get hit. A lot. But ultimately both Mahomes, his defense and his coaching staff can do more to prevent that than any single player added to the line can (unless said player is replacing Cam Erving, who was trash).

And lets not keep acting like Mahomes had dogshit protection otherwise. Reiter's a horrifying run blocker but he's an asset in pass pro. Wylie was a bad run blocker but again, a solid to good pass blocker. LDT....well LDT kinda sucked, but if he's that bad again, Remmers was a quality pass-blocking OT who should be even better on the interior. Rankins can probably play and ultimately this staff has flat out built dudes like Wylie into quality pass blockers.

Mahomes wasn't getting poor protection last year apart from when Fisher went down. Overreacting and reaching for IOLs with the idea that you're somehow going to build him an impenetrable line is just not gonna help matters.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's absolutely a dime DB and w/ Mathieu's versatility, you kick him down and run Thornhill/Winfield in the back end in Nickel sets. Hell, he has the athleticism to do it in his own right, IMO.

I mean...still not the pick I'd make, but the idea that there's no room for him doesn't play either. If Veach thinks he's the best safety in the class and the best player on the board, take him. Spags will find a good use for him for sure.

Part of why I question a Winfield acquisition has nothing to do with his talent, but more at guessing what Spagnuolo likes with his personnel after seeing it in action for one year in Kansas City. You are clamouring for Delpit as a strong consideration for the first pick by the Chiefs, and I can totally see why because he is so versatile.

Delpit can play in the box and attack the backfield where as more of Winfield’s opportunities to do so come from the “sky” (term I use for outside the box). I think you have more success asking a guy like Delpit to play a little single high, split cover two, and track as a box defender where necessary. I don’t see that same luxury with Winfield in his ability to match up with every type of personnel groupings one might see. I think Winfield’s strength is being allowed to sit back and read plays as they develop and use his exceptional instincts to make plays on the ball. My worry with Winfield is that he can get bodied/boxed out by bigger receivers.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Sorensen does better than HB when you kick him down. HB will play all over and I don’t think he minds that tbh. Thornhill is strictly a safety but could play some CB

I can't even respond to this.

It's literally too stupid to address.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

I guarantee we take a WR in either the first or second round

Bet you are wrong.