***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Donger

So, we should have been like Sweden and not implemented such draconian mitigation efforts. Yet, their death rate is much worse than ours.

Is that right?

Sweden's death rate is not "much worse" than America's.

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people.

Meanwhile other European countries that have been under draconian lockdown all have much higher death rates... Spain (540 deaths per million people), France (381 deaths per million people), and Italy (477 deaths per million people).

50% of Sweden's deaths have taken place in their elderly care homes... which is the same problem that the draconian lockdown countries are having.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Yeah, no.

umm why not?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We are still going to have many more deaths according to everyone.

well i would think it would be common sense that many more are going to die.



the deaths arent going to stop when the cases are going up by over 20k a day.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Sweden's death rate is not "much worse" than America's.

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people.

Meanwhile other European countries that have been under draconian lockdown all have much higher death rates... Spain (540 deaths per million people), France (381 deaths per million people), and Italy (477 deaths per million people).

50% of Sweden's deaths have taken place in their elderly care homes... which is the same problem that the draconian lockdown countries are having.

Perhaps it's just me, but I call a 25% greater death rate much worse.

Yes, those countries all locked down too late.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I have a lot of trouble believing that people are going to be fans of one of Nazi Germany's favorite policies any time soon.

considering some are embracing some of the policies no I don't know why you would find it hard. I don't want to get into this though as it will surely turn political quickly.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Perhaps it's just me, but I call a 25% greater death rate much worse.

Yes, those countries all locked down too late.

25% based on what number? Are we no longer extrapolating how any people we really think have this and going back to just the reported cases?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

25% bases on that number? Are we no longer extrapolating how any people we really think have this and going back to just the reported cases?

It's in his post:

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by O.city

It didn’t have to be that way though. If we’d have had our shit together and tested and traced early we could have been better off

or just shut the whole place down and freeze debt for 2 months in the beginning. right after they paid everyone a stimulus check to get groceries.

dont give it bodies and it dies.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Newsflash:People die.

Every. single. day.

well at least you didnt compare it to drunk driving deaths, you have that going for you.

[limested]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

or just shut the whole place down and freeze debt for 2 months in the beginning. right after they paid everyone a stimulus check to get groceries.

dont give it bodies and it dies.

But it is my body and I can do what I want with it. I refuse to live in a socialist state!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Sweden's death rate is not "much worse" than America's.

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people.

Meanwhile other European countries that have been under draconian lockdown all have much higher death rates... Spain (540 deaths per million people), France (381 deaths per million people), and Italy (477 deaths per million people).

50% of Sweden's deaths have taken place in their elderly care homes... which is the same problem that the draconian lockdown countries are having.

You managed to get two draconian in one post you are really stepping up your game.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Anyone want to tackle this? CDC changed the number of Covid deaths to 37K?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Edit: Weird so is that the total without pneumonia? Very confusing.

Ah.

what's really weird is that you left out the part where it says death counts are delayed and continually revised. provisional data is not yet complete...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

or just shut the whole place down and freeze debt for 2 months in the beginning. right after they paid everyone a stimulus check to get groceries.

dont give it bodies and it dies.

Freezing debt needs to be clarified. Places like banks are "freezing" or as they say deferring payments for 3 months but they are not adding 3 months to the end of your loan. They are expecting 4 months worth of payments come month 4.

[dirk digler]

JFC

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— ABC News (@ABC) May 4, 2020

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

or just shut the whole place down and freeze debt for 2 months in the beginning.

...that's the rub.