***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I think the confusion on your end is, the right for you Grand Parents and loved ones to feel safe does not mean more than my constitutional rights.

"If it saves one life, its worth it" is a logical fallacy.

No you "Right" to feel safe doesn't mean anything to me. That being said I can be empathetic and take precautions to make sure I don't do anything that could hurt them

I'm confused why you think this is about "feeling safe" vs. "being safe." I'm not worried about my grandpa feeling anxious. I'm worried about people like you getting sick, going to the store, infecting my grandma, and killing my grandpa.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I don't know their situation, but I think people who are in the top 10% of longevity sometimes feel guilty about it. My grandparents are basically the last of their group of friends and siblings alive. While they still clearly enjoy living, I certainly don't think that they're scared of death at this point.

thats exactly how this couple is. they are ready if it comes and want to go together. they've been married since they were 17.


but they are scared to death about us.

crazy

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm confused why you think this is about "feeling safe" vs. "being safe." I'm not worried about my grandpa feeling anxious. I'm worried about people like you getting sick, going to the store, infecting my grandma, and killing my grandpa.

Actually when you grand parent goes out into public he ASSUMES the risk REGARDLESS.

There are other options than him going out. Again, I can take precautions to limit what I could spread.

But you Grandparents right to exist shouldn't dictate how I live my life.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm confused why you think this is about "feeling safe" vs. "being safe." I'm not worried about my grandpa feeling anxious. I'm worried about people like you getting sick, going to the store, infecting my grandma, and killing my grandpa.

There really isn't any feeling there....it's a good catch phrase to use to basically say we're locked down cause people are pussies when in reality it doesn't make sense.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Deaths by age group in Sweden:

88% over age 70
65% over age 80
25% over age 90

12% under age 70
5% under than 60
1.5% under than age 50
0.7% under age 40
0.2% under age 30
0.07% under age 20
0.03% under age 10


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...by-age-groups/

here's mo. for comparison
Under 20 0
20-29 1
30-39 3
40-49 7
50-59 28
60-69 72
70-79 88
80+ 153

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Actually when you grand parent goes out into public he ASSUMES the risk REGARDLESS.

There are other options than him going out. Again, I can take precautions to limit what I could spread.

But you Grandparents right to exist shouldn't dictate how I live my life.

So how would you propose that my grandparents obtain food? They're in a small town, so delivery and pickup aren't options.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I literally just posted a CNBC article stating that is not always the case. But whatever.

No question that their could be exceptions. However, it is the overwhelming majority. I have been auditing financial institutions for almost 30 years. I have a pretty good handle on what I am talking about.

[dirk digler]

Welp the CDC is now projecting 3k deaths daily now that states are re-opening. We are going to hit 100K very shortly.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.

There are currently around 25,000 new cases each day in the United States, and around 2,000 deaths each day.

The CDC gathered the data and built the models on which the projections are based, the Times reported, while the Federal Emergency Management Agency created the charts.

The report also suggests that infection rates will increase more in rural America over the coming months. The document names “the Great Lakes region, parts of the Southeast, Northeast, and around southern California” as potential new hotspots, while Louisiana and New York City remain on a downwards trajectory in the federal government’s modeling.

“There remains a large number of counties whose burden continues to grow,” the report says.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So how would you propose that my grandparents obtain food? They're in a small town, so delivery and pickup aren't options.

He doesn't really care, all he cares is about what he's doing....this ties back to what I said about being spoiled as a nation.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Welp the CDC is now projecting 3k deaths daily now that states are re-opening. We are going to hit 100K very shortly.

Considering I was just reading that Parsons said Missouri can resume concerts and they have no gathering guidelines, we'll be the epicenter of shitshow.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So how would you propose that my grandparents obtain food? They're in a small town, so delivery and pickup aren't options.

I suggest if you are so worried you provide their food or arrange for it to be provided for them.

You can't care to a certain point, and CONTROLLING others to protect your loved ones is not what the USA is all about.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1

That sounds really high.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I suggest if you are so worried you provide their food or arrange for it to be provided for them.

You can't care to a certain point, and CONTROLLING others to protect your loved ones is not what the USA is all about.

Oh? What do you think the USA is all about?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I suggest if you are so worried you provide their food or arrange for it to be provided for them.

You can't care to a certain point and CONTROLLING others to protect you loved ones is not what the USA is all about.

That's not a solution. That's telling someone else to solve it.

So again, what's your SOLUTION. What, exactly, would you propose that I do to get them groceries?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

That sounds really high.

Well considering the growth rate world wide, I would think we are already way beyond that number. I think Serology tests need to be priority.