***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Beyond all the bickering, I still think the news out of France is worth discussing. Anyone have any thoughts on it at all?

China had to of had it spreading in September would be my guess.

[jdubya]

My parents live nearby and no longer drive. I shop for them weekly without a second thought as do my brother and sister who also live nearby. I used to work in prehospital care and was always saddened at the amount of elderly who had no family or friends nearby to help or care for them. I was raised to care for my family when they could no longer care for themselves. If I lived too far away I would still make arrangements for their care with nearby resources.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

You can't be serious

Stillwater had to rescind its mask requirement because people were threatening retail employees with violence. That's how ridiculous some of this stuff is.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's academically interesting, but I'm not sure why it matters.

Well it could show that China lied even further which I don't think is disputed.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm not denying that there are solutions. I think it's a little odd to be arguing that people can't "infringe on your rights" (which are largely issues of inconvenience) by saying that others should have to deal with the inconvenience.

As I alluded to earlier, it's just interesting how much of a feeling there is with all of this that we just don't give a shit about it because it mainly impacts old people.

Well you kind of made it personal and asked how your grandparents could obtain food as if they had no other option beyond going to the store so you are getting personal responses.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

You can't be serious

I actually agree with him, it feels like you are saying, I should not be inconvenienced by anything in life and if so that is a violation of my rights, so for me to be happy others must be inconvenienced instead.

I never really thought inconvenience and rights equated to each other personally.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

People need to to do w/e is they feel they need to do to live their life.

Because at the end of the day the only person/people you can rely on is yourself and your family.

If someone loses their job and can't support their family or put food on the table not you or anyone else in this thread is going to pay their goddamn bills or make sure their children eat.

So when it comes to taking care of MY needs vs YOUR needs/fears, 10 out of 10 im taking care of my shit.

I'm sorry that you fear for your grandma. Others are afraid that they can't sustain life much longer like this. That stimulus money and tax refund is gonna run out.

Everything else is just words and bullshit.

Yip.

And hence why the shifted goalpost of "the lockdown must continue in order to save lives" is dishonest considering the lives saved in the USA are going to be measured against the deaths in less-developed countries due to effects of the USA shutting down half of its economic throughputs.

"Okay so the lockdown must continue to save US citizens' lives."

Great until you start thinking about the implications of that.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Stillwater had to rescind its mask requirement because people were threatening retail employees with violence. That's how ridiculous some of this stuff is.

Sure as always there is a extreme on both sides. Also those mask order unless provided from the government put restrictions on people going out.

Look I'm not arguing we shouldn't all be doing everything we can. I'm only arguing its our god given right NOT TO. Which you are allowed to think is ****ing dumb.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by O.city

I would help anyone that needs it.


accept Sauto. Cause **** that guy. Wont' get his cell phone fixed.

I am beating this thing's ass.

Can I at least get a bottle of Evan Williams?

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Isn't that document amendable? and maybe a little outdated?

No

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

this isnt about 'OUR FEAR" it's about the people in charge and their fears.

Whomever the ****'s fears.

Its time to open up and for life to get started again.

Honestly, life has been BETTER for me with this Covid shit. I haven't suffered one bit and business is good. And for the most part i avoid the news and all the doom and gloom and panic.

But as i drove through downtown this morning i saw a line going around the block for a local food bank.

It reminds me of being a homeless kid again. It reminds me that while everything is A-Ok for me because im NOT worried about how to get my next meal, Millions in fact ARE.

The bottom line is the grandmothers of many people whom i don't know may die. Grandmothers of many i dont know die everyday and life still has to go on.

Families are suffering right NOW and most of you don't know who they are and quite frankly won't know, and won't really care if their children won't eat worth a shit today.

Those people have to look out for themselves. Strangers halfway across the country sure as **** aint gonna do it.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by O.city

I would help anyone that needs it.


accept Sauto. Cause **** that guy. Wont' get his cell phone fixed.

except.


and i finally found my new one on the same day the wife broke hers.

her new one will be here in a day or 2 and i'm back bitches

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I actually agree with him, it feels like you are saying, I should not be inconvenienced by anything in life and if so that is a violation of my rights, so for me to be happy others must be inconvenienced instead.

I never really thought inconvenience and rights equated to each other personally.

But you can inconvenience others so that you are not inconvenienced? I'm arguing that OLD PEOPLE should shelter in place. He (DeFace) said his grandparent wouldnt be able to get food (This is a bullshit argument and honestly a weak one)

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Whomever the ****'s fears.

Its time to open up and for life to get started again.

Honestly, life has been BETTER for me with this Covid shit. I haven't suffered one bit and business is good. And for the most part i avoid the news and all the doom and gloom and panic.

But as i drove through downtown this morning i saw a line going around the block for a local food bank.

It reminds me of being a homeless kid again. It reminds me that while everything is A-Ok for me because im NOT worried about how to get my next meal, Millions in fact ARE.

The bottom line is the grandmothers of many people whom i don't know may die. Grandmothers of many i dont know die everyday and life still has to go on.

Families are suffering right NOW and most of you don't know who they are and quite frankly won't know, and won't really care if their children won't eat worth a shit today.

Those people have to look out for themselves. Strangers halfway across the country sure as **** aint gonna do it.

This

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Yeah I will help you grand parents out because it seems like it to much for you to get up and do.

lol ok princess. they've all passed away years ago.


i've been taking food to my older customers for weeks. i'm good.