***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

I was listening to something and it broke down the number of Airbnb renters who had just 1 property, 5-10, and 10+

I thought Airbnb was renting an extra room, or you move to a new city and rent your old house. I didn't realize there were tons of people who made it a business by taking on dozens of mortgages. They had a lady on who'd bought 26 houses. She had no idea what she was gonna do. That's a ton of leverage. Works until it doesn't, I guess

Yeah, my impression of Airbnb is that it started out as people renting out rooms or their house, and now it's mostly companies or large-scale investors that are operating decentralized hotels in residential areas.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Go to a bank and consider why they have signage on their doors indicating that face masks are prohibited.

Or every bodega and convenience store in less than affluent areas.

[Donger]

How many banks are still open to foot traffic?

[O.city]

Wow. Coronavirus already in France ���� as early as December 2019! Study peer reviewed.

• Early community spreading changes our knowledge of #covid19 epidemic.

• This totally changes our understanding & modeling studies should adjust to this new data.https://t.co/RPWzlzj0RI

— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) May 5, 2020

not sure about the source post, but if this is true it does change things if there was community spread in December.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Go to a bank and consider why they have signage on their doors indicating that face masks are prohibited.

Just so we're clear: you now think there's going to be a rash of bank robberies because people can wear cloth masks in public? Do most bank robbers currently not wear masks?

So wearing masks is now going to cause an epidemic of bank robbery? Must be why I read all about the great Asian bank robbery epidemic of 2003-4 after SARS.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You don't know the difference between entire facial coverage and wearing a mask over your nose and mouth?

Should I provide you a diagram?

Prior to this what do you think would have happened if you walked into a bank with any kind of a mask on? My Wife works in banking so I know the answer.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

How many banks are still open to foot traffic?

Most likely none. Might get in by an appointment if you needed too.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Just so we're clear: you now think there's going to be a rash of bank robberies because people can wear cloth masks in public? Do most bank robbers currently not wear masks?

So wearing masks is now going to cause an epidemic of bank robbery? Must be why I read all about the great Asian bank robbery epidemic of 2003-4 after SARS.

[limested]

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-than-original

Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.....



If true it explains why NY has been so much worse than the west coast.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You don't know the difference between entire facial coverage and wearing a mask over your nose and mouth?

Should I provide you a diagram?

No shock that you are ignorant as to the standard language in most anti-mask laws...

No person or persons over 16 years of age, while wearing any mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is hidden, concealed, or covered...

Keywords: “Any portion of the face”

Let’s see you diagram a cloth facemask that complies with that requirement.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I like the people that wear masks then move them when they talk, how is that helpful?

I loved the Springfield news spot where they were highlighting the changes restaurants made for covid. Masks were being worn and they zoomed in on the guy cooking the food who was wearing his on his chin. No one even noticed or mentioned it...

[Dunit35]

I work security as a side gig at one of the local banks.

We are inside open by appointment only for a couple more weeks. Masks are required by the employees but not the citizens. If you want a loan or to check your safety deposit box you can come in. Anything else has to be done through the drive thru.

When they open up in a couple weeks they will limit the amount of people inside. Loans will still be appointment only but there will be a teller line. It’ll probably have 4-5 people in it at a time. Not the usual 10-15 people.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

No shock that you are ignorant as to the standard language in most anti-mask laws...



Keywords: “Any portion of the face”

Let’s see you diagram a cloth facemask that complies with that requirement.

does an eye patch count.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Prior to this what do you think would have happened if you walked into a bank with any kind of a mask on? My Wife works in banking so I know the answer.

Which do you think is a greater risk to the public right now: banning all mask wearing in public or allowing people to wear a surgical mask in a bank?

[KCUnited]

I mentioned it in one of these threads but I was asked to pull down my mask to make a beer purchase