***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I didn't know he was the gospel....

You guys can say what you want, everyone in their brother knows the primary reason for the initial shut down was to slow the spread so we didn't run out of resources.

Spin away with whatever you want.....I am done with this specific topic for the day.

i didnt know the guy from 2-28 was writing gospel...


works both ways. but i'd bet good money fauci is more in tuned to this than
drew harris at this point...
and things have changed since 2-28, we've found out that there isnt really anything that makes it better at this point so the focus had to go from slowing the spread to stop hospitals being overrrun and not being able to treat people to slowing the spread to stop people from dying...



even those pesky old people and young people with issues no on seems to care anything about.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But if hospitals aren’t being overrun then the # of infections and the mortality rate do not justify a prolonged shut down.

It’s really that simple but you’re dancing around it.

The results absolutely justify it. And that was the goal of mitigation. Fewer cases. Fewer hospitals visits. And fewer deaths.

That's why we shutdown.

[wazu]

BREAKING: Major League Baseball owners OK a proposal that could lead to the coronavirus-delayed season starting around the Fourth of July weekend in ballparks without fans.
https://t.co/EkBOoAsVqk

— AP Sports (@AP_Sports) May 11, 2020

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But if hospitals aren’t being overrun then the # of infections and the mortality rate do not justify a prolonged shut down.

It’s really that simple but you’re dancing around it.

what is the mortality rate?


what numbers do you use?


do you REALLY not think that the infection #s wouldnt be exponentially greater if we had done nothing?

[Lzen]

For all of the people who claim that hydroxychloroquine does not work on COVID-19, I'd suggest you do some more research. Here is one interview but I have found many of these kinds of stories. Frankly, I would rather give this a try than just die on a tube. To each his own but there are doctors all over the world who are touting the benefits of this.

https://youtu.be/28BnZwByUJE

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by wazu

I was just about to post this. It is all going to depend on testing the players.

Union officials and players have cited the March 26 agreement as setting economic terms and say they have no inclination for additional cuts. Players are more interested in medical protocols and testing designed to protect them from and detect the new coronavirus. The proposal will detail the plan for dealing with players and staff who test positive.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Man if you're having a months long shitdown you need a doctor for other reasons.

“Months long Shitdown”



Yes, I know. I have the maturity of a 10 year old.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Lzen

For all of the people who claim that hydroxychloroquine does not work on COVID-19, I'd suggest you do some more research. Here is one interview but I have found many of these kinds of stories. Frankly, I would rather give this a try than just die on a tube. To each his own but there are doctors all over the world who are touting the benefits of this.

https://youtu.be/28BnZwByUJE

i have no idea if it works or not but you can bet your ass i'd be trying it if needed.

[Mecca]

The real elephant here that isn't being addressed, until you solve the virus the economy is going to ****ed with or without a shutdown.

The economy is not returning if half the population is scared of catching something.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The real elephant here that isn't being addressed, until you solve the virus the economy is going to ****ed with or without a shutdown.

The economy is not returning if half the population is scared of catching something.

Oh they will weigh their risks when they lose their homes.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The real elephant here that isn't being addressed, until you solve the virus the economy is going to ****ed with or without a shutdown.

The economy is not returning if half the population is scared of catching something.

It will do better than if all the population is prevented from going out.

[O.city]

I'm guessing the "stay locked down for however long" people may change their tune when we get food shortages and such. That isn't gonna be a fun time

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm guessing the "stay locked down for however long" people may change their tune when we get food shortages and such. That isn't gonna be a fun time

I don't think anyone who thinks that's a good idea thinks it's a fun time. This entire situation sucks either way.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm guessing the "stay locked down for however long" people may change their tune when we get food shortages and such. That isn't gonna be a fun time

Why would we have food shortages?

[tk13]

I think the whole argument is a bit off the mark.

The most important question is whether re-opening will lead to a spike in cases that will cause issues with hospitals, supply chains, etc. Have enough people been infected with this to prevent that? That's why the MLB numbers were so interesting. People are just operating under the assumption that we did our time, half the country has had this thing, and the risk of the virus causing problems and overloading systems is over, I'm not sure we know that yet.