***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think his agenda is to educate period, which i have been very grateful for not do i just take what he says as gospel no, i take his info cross reference it with what i know based of what i learned from 24 years of medical experience my wife's 24 years of medical experience my co workers 100s of years of medical experience and decide whether or not it makes sense.

Am I in a better position to understand what hamas says more than somebody without that knowledge , it might depend on the person i guess but odds would be better anyways.

Exactly. Most of us understand what he’s saying. I’m not going to allow him to just bully people around for there perceptions though. All of the facts must be laid out in my opinion. For him to dodge facts is just as dangerous to the public

I tried to get his idea of when he would be comfortable with the research for a vaccine to trust the NNT NNH and Fatality rate %’s enough to get the vaccine himself. He answered all the questions like a politician running for office using his medical terminology to go right over most peoples heads. I’m not oblivious to what he’s saying. The most we could ever get out of him is that this fall would be too early. You would think a pharmacist would be happy to share there input on a timeline needed for a safe vaccine. Most pharmacists I work with have told me they wouldn’t want to see one rushed before next fall so I was wondering if he felt the same way. He can’t just answer in simple terms how he feels about the timeline?

Now he wants to berate people for the flu comparison. When I bring up some data that the comparison has a lot of talking points on he goes out of his way again to dodge the question. You don’t think some of these parents would like to know that the coronavirus is far less dangerous to their kids than the flu at this point? I’m hoping he’s at least reminding this to some of his anxiety driven parents in his area that probably use him for a good medical point reference

I truly appreciate his input to the conversation, but I get sick of seeing him berating everyone else that doesn’t agree with his opinion.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Wait, he thinks THESE are conspiracy theories? We've found the Lounge's new Taco John.

I’m not claiming they’re 100% conspiracy theories, but that’s the problem, there’s so much conflicting information that I honestly don’t know what the **** to believe any more.

I just think it’s awfully convenient that anything that doesn’t fit his narrative is quickly dismissed but everything that does fit is a fact.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Seven day trend lines for cases and hospitalizations have both increased in Florida. Look at May 1. Look at it now.

Facts are not your friend in this debate.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It is a common reaction to call people smarter than you arrogant.

Just because one is educated in a field does not necessarily make them smarter. Nor does it make them not biased.

Study about the benefits of Hydroxychloroquine that suggests that it may work on COVID-19 if used early and in combination with zinc(?) he puts down. But some of these people have been considered experts, international experts even.
But he promotes the study that was not done correctly and arrogantly predicts that people will knock the study because it wasn't done early enough as though that is not a legitimate knock. The bias is obvious.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Just because one is educated in a field does not necessarily make them smarter. Nor does it make them not biased.

Study about the benefits of Hydroxychloroquine that suggests that it may work on COVID-19 if used early and in combination with zinc(?) he puts down. But some of these people have been considered experts, international experts even.
But he promotes the study that was not done correctly and arrogantly predicts that people will knock the study because it wasn't done early enough as though that is not a legitimate knock. The bias is obvious.

Dr. Vlad is an expert?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Doom and gloom.

Example:

Florida isn’t as bad as I wanted it to be so I’m going to roll with a conspiracy theory as to why the data doesn’t fit my narrative even though I shut down every conspiracy theory that doesn’t fit my narrative.

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m not claiming they’re conspiracy theories, but that’s the problem, there’s so much conflicting information that I honestly don’t know what the **** to believe any more.

I just think it’s awfully convenient that anything that doesn’t fit his narrative is quickly dismissed but everything that does fit is a fact.

Ok.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Every report that says they’re inflating the numbers is a nutjob conspiracy theory and misinformation, but of course the report that fits your narrative is fact, right?

I’m not claiming to be an expert whatsoever. I can’t just easily tell that you have a narrative and you’re going to stick to it. I’m clearly not the only person that feels this way either.

Well, the inflation of numbers can be checked against mortality data and the state of Florida recently stopped censoring data from medical examiners.

I'm not surprised that some people feel that way. One thing this thread has reinforced is that there are a lot of really stupid people that post on here who think that a Google search from a preferred news site or a few hours of talk radio is equivalent to a medical degree.

[Donger]

Pete ran away, so I'll ask the group:

Masks are being recommended because they have the ability to reduce at least some droplet spread, yes?

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Donger

Dr. Vlad is an expert?

Okay, I'll play your game.
Which part of the word some don't you understand?

[Spott]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Exactly. Most of us understand what he’s saying. I’m not going to allow him to just bully people around for there perceptions though. All of the facts must be laid out in my opinion. For him to dodge facts is just as dangerous to the public as laying them out for everyone to see.

I tried to get his idea of when he would be comfortable with the research for a vaccine to trust the NNT NNH and Fatality rate %’s enough to get the vaccine himself. He answered all the questions like a politician running for office using his medical terminology to go right over most peoples heads. I’m not oblivious to what he’s saying. The most we could ever get out of him is that this fall would be too early. You would think a pharmacist would be happy to share there input on a timeline needed for a safe vaccine. Most pharmacists I work with have told me they wouldn’t want to see one rushed before next fall so I was wondering if he felt the same way. He can’t just answer in simple terms how he feels about the timeline?

Now he wants to berate people for the flu comparison. When I bring up some data that the comparison has a lot of talking points on he goes out of his way again to dodge the question. You don’t think some of these parents would like to know that the coronavirus is far less dangerous to their kids than the flu at this point? I’m hoping he’s at least reminding this to some of his anxiety driven parents in his area that probably use him for a good medical point reference

I truly appreciate his input to the conversation, but I get sick of seeing him berating everyone else that doesn’t agree with his opinion.

It’s amazing that all of these “doctors” have nothing but spare time to argue with random people on CP everyday.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Just because one is educated in a field does not necessarily make them smarter. Nor does it make them not biased.

Study about the benefits of Hydroxychloroquine that suggests that it may work on COVID-19 if used early and in combination with zinc(?) he puts down. But some of these people have been considered experts, international experts even.
But he promotes the study that was not done correctly and arrogantly predicts that people will knock the study because it wasn't done early enough as though that is not a legitimate knock. The bias is obvious.

Which study did I promote that was not done correctly?

Which international experts are you talking about?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Okay, I'll play your game.
Which part of the word some don't you understand?

Okay, so not Dr. Vlad. Who then?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Ok.

I was talking specifically about the claims of one woman.

The other stuff that he was talking about, which I’m saying I’m not calling a conspiracy theory, is not what I was referring to in that original post.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Donger

Pete ran away, so I'll ask the group:

Masks are being recommended because they have the ability to reduce at least some droplet spread, yes?

Yes

[Lzen]

My understanding is that the guy in France was an expert. But then the study was knocked because it wasn't done properly. I think some people just don't want to believe that it is possible simply because Trump promoted it.