***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

In other words you're chasing a ghost

Not really this is actually a real thing .

[KurtCobain]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'd like to know how many people were tested overall? Did they test all 850?

You would definitely think so, but from what I'm finding out now, no they did not.

[Chief Pagan]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717

Sweden's controversial decision not to impose a strict lockdown in response to the Covid-19 pandemic led to too many deaths, the man behind the policy, Anders Tegnell, has acknowledged.

Dr Tegnell told Swedish radio more should have been done early on.

"There is quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done."

Sweden has counted 4,542 deaths and 40,803 infections in a population of 10 million, while Denmark, Norway and Finland have imposed lockdowns and seen far lower rates.

Denmark has seen 580 deaths, Norway has had 237 deaths and Finland 321. Sweden reported a further 74 deaths on Wednesday.

...

Now he has told Swedish public radio: "If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done."

When asked if too many people had died too soon, Dr Tegnell said, "Yes, absolutely."

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Although there was no lockdown, Sweden relied on voluntary social distancing, banning gatherings of more than 50 people and halting visits to elderly care homes.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Not really this is actually a real thing .

Are you just intentionally being obtuse? I dont know what your problem is anymore but you have made a habit out of taking what I say and twisting into something that you know was not said and then expounding on it.

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[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by petegz28

In other words you're chasing a ghost

It isn't antifa this is real

[Rain Man]

I'm kind of curious how the vaccine trial works. They're going to give it to 30,000 people, who are presumably paid volunteers. Do they then use national statistics as a control group? I presume they're not paying another 30,000 people to be a control group.

But if you're in the vaccine group, I wonder if you behave differently. Do you have more confidence to be out and about? Not wear a mask? I guess they're probably asking them a lot of behavioral questions, but then they'd also have to ask some control group the same behavioral questions. Maybe the control group is just a public survey?

[jdubya]

So last Friday we couldnt have graduation parties for graduates but 3 days later the mayor of my town encourages people to join protest gathering at the city park and have patience for looters. Today businesses are suddenly allowed to open back up fully but asking for social distancing. What a difference a riot makes I guess.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by jdubya

So last Friday we couldnt have graduation parties for graduates but 3 days later the mayor of my town encourages people to join protest gathering at the city park and have patience for looters. Today businesses are suddenly allowed to open back up fully but asking for social distancing. What a difference a riot makes I guess.

Just because some people want to be stupid doesn't mean it's a good idea, just remember that.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Just because some people want to be stupid doesn't mean it's a good idea, just remember that.

My post was dripping in sarcasm. I`m mocking the decision making pre/post riots. C19 was very serious one day and 3 days later its gone from the headlines.

[RustShack]

It’ll be interesting to see how much the numbers jump after these protests.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm kind of curious how the vaccine trial works. They're going to give it to 30,000 people, who are presumably paid volunteers. Do they then use national statistics as a control group? I presume they're not paying another 30,000 people to be a control group.

But if you're in the vaccine group, I wonder if you behave differently. Do you have more confidence to be out and about? Not wear a mask? I guess they're probably asking them a lot of behavioral questions, but then they'd also have to ask some control group the same behavioral questions. Maybe the control group is just a public survey?

The Phase II Moderna trial is placebo-controlled with two different strengths of vaccine.

Phase II/III of the Oxford trial uses the meningococcal vaccine as a control.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by RustShack

It’ll be interesting to see how much the numbers jump after these protests.

They'll skyrocket, you watch.

The number to keep an eye on will be the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Bowser

They'll skyrocket, you watch.

The number to keep an eye on will be the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths.

Dr. Williams here in Missouri was asked today about the number of cases that have been reported from the pool party at the lake over Memorial Day weekend.

There's been a grand total of 1 case reported.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

It isn't antifa this is real

[sedated]

Originally Posted by TLO

Dr. Williams here in Missouri was asked today about the number of cases that have been reported from the pool party at the lake over Memorial Day weekend.

There's been a grand total of 1 case reported.

If it didn't spread from Lake of the Ozarks, seems there are 3 options: being outside in the sun/heat killed the virus pretty effectively 2) it has mutated to be less potent as was rumored from Italy 3) the people that attended are all young and don't show symptoms.