***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I guess I don't know what point you are trying to make (which is the usual state of things). Why did you compare promising vaccine research to the Hindenburg?

Because until we see it actually work I am not putting stock in something that in the past has proven to be very difficult to ever produce. And part of the Spanish Flu second wave was we thought we had a vaccine that turned out not to be so good.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Because until we see it actually work I am not putting stock in something that in the past has proven to be very difficult to ever produce. And part of the Spanish Flu second wave was we thought we had a vaccine that turned out not to be so good.

The part I can't figure out is what you WANT to happen. You don't like masks. You don't like social distancing restrictions. You don't think that a vaccine will help. You have like a million posts in this thread, so it's not like you aren't concerned about it.

Are you just resigned to the idea that people are just going to keep dying and that's all there is to it?

I just can't figure out your angle.

[KS Smitty]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The part I can't figure out is what you WANT to happen. You don't like masks. You don't like social distancing restrictions. You don't think that a vaccine will help. You have like a million posts in this thread, so it's not like you aren't concerned about it.

Are you just resigned to the idea that people are just going to keep dying and that's all there is to it?

I just can't figure out your angle.

That's Pete. Remember his infamous "Won't sniff the playoffs" thread, he is the most pessimistic person I have ever had contact with. NTTAWWT.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We have a flu vaccine has it gone away? But please continue ignoring half of what I said. You have a certain penchant for doing such.

Pete, this was a dumb point back in March. We are now in June and have beat this dead horse to a pulp. Why are you comparing this to the flu? You blow my mind, man.

Have you ever heard of the polio vaccine? How about measles?

[DaFace]

Here's a peer-reviewed study that concludes that the virus is primarily spread airborne and that masks are an effective tool to slow it down.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../10/2009637117

As if it's going to change anyone's views.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

Pete, this was a dumb point back in March. We are now in June and have beat this dead horse to a pulp. Why are you comparing this to the flu? You blow my mind, man.

Have you ever heard of the polio vaccine? How about measles?

Do you smoke the pot? Where did I say this was the flu? Yes and guess what, the measles still exist. JFC why don't you actually read what I said for once instead of spouting off about shit I didn't say?

And FYI....

More than 140,000 die from measles as cases surge worldwide
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...urge-worldwide

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Here's a peer-reviewed study that concludes that the virus is primarily spread airborne and that masks are an effective tool to slow it down.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../10/2009637117

As if it's going to change anyone's views.

So now it is airborne?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The part I can't figure out is what you WANT to happen. You don't like masks. You don't like social distancing restrictions. You don't think that a vaccine will help. You have like a million posts in this thread, so it's not like you aren't concerned about it.

Are you just resigned to the idea that people are just going to keep dying and that's all there is to it?

I just can't figure out your angle.

I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand something so simple. When we get a vaccine that works I will believe we have a vaccine that works. Otherwise getting my hopes up about something some experts say we may never have is something I am not going to so. Why that is hard to understand I don't know. It seems pretty simple to me. And I never said I didn't like social distancing. That's you putting words in my mouth yet again. I think masks are okay but again as many experts have said they are more psychological and lead to people doing things they shouldn't because they think they are protected. Not to mention most people don't use masks properly.

People are going to continue to die from this just like people continue to die from the flu even though we have a "vaccine". The number of people will hopefully go down if we get one but it is not going away. Sorry.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand something so simple. When we get a vaccine that works I will believe we have a vaccine that works. Otherwise getting my hopes up about something some experts say we may never have is something I am not going to so. Why that is hard to understand I don't know. It seems pretty simple to me. And I never said I didn't like social distancing. That's you putting words in my mouth yet again. I think masks are okay but again as many experts have said they are more psychological and lead to people doing things they shouldn't because they think they are protected. Not to mention most people don't use masks properly.

People are going to continue to die from this just like people continue to die from the flu even though we have a "vaccine". The number of people will hopefully go down if we get one but it is not going away. Sorry.

So it's "the Chiefs won't sniff the playoffs" again. Bizarre.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So it's "the Chiefs won't sniff the playoffs" again. Bizarre.

Yeah keep going back to that because that's about all you seem to have. Not everyone is perfect like you.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Do you smoke the pot? Where did I say this was the flu? Yes and guess what, the measles still exist. JFC why don't you actually read what I said for once instead of spouting off about shit I didn't say?

And FYI....

More than 140,000 die from measles as cases surge worldwide
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...urge-worldwide

Yeah, because those people are not vaccinated with the measles vaccine, pete. My god.

I do not smoke pot. When DaFace asked why you had so little faith in a successful vaccine potentially being developed, your example was the flu.

I think there's literally something wrong with your head which makes you blind in your attempt to always be right in arguments. You will literally contradict something you said 5 minutes ago to make, what you believe, a strong counterpoint.

It's fascinating.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

Yeah, because those people are not vaccinated with the measles vaccine, pete. My god.

I do not smoke pot. When DaFace asked why you had so little faith in a successful vaccine potentially being developed, your example was the flu.

I think there's literally something wrong with your head which makes you blind in your attempt to always be right in arguments. You will literally contradict something you said 5 minutes ago to make, what you believe, a strong counterpoint.

It's fascinating.

My example was a fact. We have a flu vaccine and people still get the flu all the time. Even people who get the flu shot. Go figure.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by Pants

I would be so happy if Remdesivir is actually working, I just haven't seen anything concrete.

In the study published on Tuesday, 12 monkeys were infected with the new coronavirus, and half of them were given early treatment with remdesivir.

Macaques that received remdesivir did not show signs of respiratory disease and had reduced damage to the lungs. (go.nature.com/2Yj9xq2)

Authors of the study also said the viral load, or amount of virus, in the lungs of remdesivir-treated animals was lower.

The authors suggested that remdesivir should be considered as a treatment as early as possible to prevent progression to pneumonia in COVID-19 patients.

From this week, were already giving it to humans along with India, Japan, S. Korea, EU in some cases. Gilead gave us a million free doses which were given to the states. Depending on usage rate, it'll run out this month or maybe July. Like a damn crack dealer getting you hooked. I haven't really seen much about what it costs or who pays going forward.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Here's a peer-reviewed study that concludes that the virus is primarily spread airborne and that masks are an effective tool to slow it down.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../10/2009637117

As if it's going to change anyone's views.

Peer-reviewed? Pffft.

Give me some Jenny McCarthy-type asshat on YouTube.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Did they all have masks on? To me in that situation it is worthless. It takes so long to cut your hair that you negate the use of the masks. If you could get your hair cut in a few minutes then maybe. But especially for women who can take an hour or more. By that time the mask is just decoration.

yep.

and who gives a **** what you think about it? they all wore masks in a situation where someone out of the 154 or so people who came in contact with the 2 positive cases should have gotten it and not one person did.
you're just wrong...