***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by tk13

Some of that is just the internet. I mean let's be real, there are people in this thread who are legitimately mentally ill because of politics. They have planted their flag in the ground and they aren't going to move. That's the internet.

It was all fun and games when it first started. Now 125,000 people are dead and people are making the same arguments and think it's not a big deal. You'd say it's unbelievable but I guess it's not. A complete lack of compassion for their country or other people. Only for themselves.

That's really ****ing sad.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tk13

Some of that is just the internet. I mean let's be real, there are people in this thread who are legitimately mentally ill because of politics. They have planted their flag in the ground and they aren't going to move. That's the internet.

It was all fun and games when it first started. Now 125,000 people are dead and people are making the same arguments and think it's not a big deal. You'd say it's unbelievable but I guess it's not. A complete lack of compassion for their country or other people. Only for themselves.

Ah so when the media encourages "protests" but bashes an outdoor country music concert, for reasons other than it's country music, they aren't a part of it all?

I don't necessarily disagree with your post but let's not pretend that our media and some of our leaders choose to bash certain things while turning a blind eye to others when both are tantamount to the same thing that we are all supposed to be afraid of.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Ah so when the media encourages "protests" but bashes a country music concert, for reasons other than it's country music, they aren't a part of it all?

I don't necessarily disagree with your post but let's not pretend that our media and some of our leaders choose to bash certain things while turning a blind eye to others when both are tantamount to the same thing that we are all supposed to be afraid of.

The media isn't doing this right, I agree, they are underplaying it. 125,000 people are dead. This thing should be in big flashing numbers flying over our heads every single day.

But it's just old people, so who cares. Even though it's not.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Which figure leads you to that conclusion?

The percentages at the bottom of the study listed in the tables. I may not be reading them correctly. That's why I asked for some assistance.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think that's part of it, but I also think that the internet has created this world in which everyone has a take, and their voices hold near equal weight to those who actually are experts. Fifty years ago, all you could really do would be to listen to your government leaders because who the **** else are you going to ask what they think we should be doing. Today, just think about how much information you know about this situation and where it came from. I guarantee a majority of it came from random people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. That's created a world in which conspiracy theories are given way more attention than they deserve, which then creates more distrust in expertise, which then gives more attention to conspiracy theories....

Add in a nice dose of many leaders contradicting each other, and it's a recipe for everyone saying "**** it." That has consequences, as we're seeing now, but it's not hard to see how we got here.

Definitely. Great post.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tk13

The media isn't underplaying this. 125,000 people are dead. This thing should be in big flashing numbers flying over our heads every single day.

But it's just old people, so who cares. Even though it's not.

And I posted a study yesterday that said at least half of those deaths are linked to nursing homes. Who put sick people into nursing homes? We could have avoided a lot of those deaths. So let's not act like people just got sick and died and there was nothing that could have been done about it.

And the fact you need to finish your post with a straw man pretty much indicates you know you're bordering on talking shit. It's a bunk straw man and it's bullshit people say when they know they are out of other things to support their take.

You don't get to blame people for being selfish when a Governor allows a person with Covid to be put into or back into a nursing home where just about everyone there is high risk.

So you want to know why people are "selfish" as you put it? Because one day mass riots are being condoned and the next hair cuts are being bashed by the very same people. When your supposed care of the situation is selectively applied then what the **** do you expect from people?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by tk13

The media isn't doing this right, I agree, they are underplaying it. 125,000 people are dead. This thing should be in big flashing numbers flying over our heads every single day.

But it's just old people, so who cares. Even though it's not.

Actually it is pretty much just old people. If it wasn't things would be treated much differently.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Actually it is pretty much just old people. If it wasn't things would be treated much differently.

I'm sure they appreciate your concern.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by tk13

I'm sure they appreciate your concern.

It is what it is. If younger kids were as vulnerable there would not be all the youth sports and schools starting back up soon. Things would look much different. 80 year olds dying abd 8 year olds dying doesn't have the same impact.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tk13

I'm sure they appreciate your concern.

He has a point. I mean seriously, what do you think the reaction would be say putting a Covid person into say a school vs. a nursing home? When roughly 60,000 deaths are linked to nursing homes meaning both residents and staff and you have Governors who knowingly allowed that to happen you have to wonder how many people died of Covid that might not have? How many people died of Covid because our state leaders (Governors) made some stupid, brain dead decisions?

You and I are not medical experts but I think we both know you don't put a person with a contagious disease in the middle of a bunch of old, sick people and expect things to work out.

But God damn it don't you go get your ****ing hair cut!!!!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It is what it is. If younger kids were as vulnerable there would not be all the youth sports and schools starting back up soon. Things would look much different.

Are you positive this isn’t reducing the life expectancy of kids who get it?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Are you positive this isn’t reducing the life expectancy of kids who get it?

Okay, that is a bunk argument. You might as well live in perpetual fear if that's your take.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Okay, that is a bunk argument. You might as well live in perpetual fear if that's your take.

Have a link that debunks it?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Are you positive this isn’t reducing the life expectancy of kids who get it?

You mean like drinking too many large cokes?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Have a link that debunks it?

You have definitive proof it does?