***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Covid is currently blowing up in Texas, Florida and Arizona which had some protests but nothing compared to other places like Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, LA, SF, NYC.

Shouldn't Portland be blowing up right now if the protests are a big impact on covid spread?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

Virtually nobody is less inaccurate than no one, but still inaccurate.

Ok most of them aren’t. Is that better one who sucks the penis?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Covid is currently blowing up in Texas, Florida and Arizona which had some protests but nothing compared to other places like Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, LA, SF, NYC.

Shouldn't Portland be blowing up right now if the protests are a big impact on covid spread?

New York has had huge protests and rioting and such, no explosion of cases. But i've been told it's not because they're likely at at immune level to suppress huge outbreaks anymore.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

It APPEARS at this point that Sweden is pretty much at the end of it. They've paid the price in terms of deaths per population, but if other countries are in it for the long haul they may come out looking better.

I like their evidence-based approach. They made some mistakes

1.Protecting the care homes
2.Counting everyone who died with Covid as a death

But overall I think they had the most balanced approach. They won't have the suicides, heart attacks, drug overdoses, missed cancers that will be coming to the USA. And their mental health and social stability will be much better as well.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Ok most of them aren’t. Is that better one who sucks the penis?

If you think less inaccurate is better, sure.

What's your take on the present situation in Florida? Success story?

[tk13]

The protests are definitely not a zero risk thing, but like everything else, people in this country are mentally ill when it comes to politics. This probably shouldn't be in this thread anyway.

If you'll notice, people always complain about the series of protests that don't align with their political views. People who align with the right complain about these racial justice protests, and people who align with the left complained about when we had protests against the stay-at-home orders all over the country.

But notice it's never their own side that is the problem, it's the other side... it's the exact same BS when people say "That state is a mess and it's run by a (Democrat/Republican)." When states and cities run by both parties have screwed this up.

The reality is that outdoor transmission seems way, way less likely than indoor transmission, and people going to bars and restaurants are probably causing way more issues than any of these protests.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

If you think less inaccurate is better, sure.

What's your take on the present situation in Florida? Success story?

Yea, sure thing dumbass.

Originally Posted by staylor26

Point made, some people don’t even know the protests are STILL going on because virtually nobody is blaming them or acknowledging the dangers of what they are doing.

Also, I don’t know what point you’re trying to make with Florida. Is it a “success story”? Obviously not. Is it as bad as people make it out to be considering we locked down late and opened up early? I don’t really think so. At least not in terms of deaths (especially when you include how many elderly people live in Flordia).

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by tk13

The protests are definitely not a zero risk thing, but like everything else, people in this country are mentally ill when it comes to politics. This probably shouldn't be in this thread anyway.

If you'll notice, people always complain about the series of protests that don't align with their political views. People who align with the right complain about these racial justice protests, and people who align with the left complained about when we had protests against the stay-at-home orders all over the country.

But notice it's never their own side that is the problem, it's the other side... it's the exact same BS when people say "That state is a mess and it's run by a (Democrat/Republican)." When states and cities run by both parties have screwed this up.

The reality is that outdoor transmission seems way, way less likely than indoor transmission, and people going to bars and restaurants are probably causing way more issues than any of these protests.

I literally said “both sides” in my original post, so you can go **** yourself with this narrative.

I’m stuck in the middle, but I see an overwhelming bias when it comes to who’s to blame for the spread. If you can’t see that, it’s because you’ve chosen a side or you’re willfully ignorant.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I literally said “both sides” in my original post, so you can go **** yourself with this narrative.

Lol. Always making friends aren't you staylor26?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Lol. Always making friends aren't you staylor26?

Always being a bundle of sticks aren’t you PAChiefsGuy?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea, sure thing dumbass.

It doesn't really make sense to call someone who just corrected you a dumbass.

Originally Posted by staylor26

Also, I don’t know what point you’re trying to make with Florida. Is it a “success story”? Obviously not. Is it as bad as people make it out to be considering we locked down late and opened up early? I don’t really think so. At least not in terms of deaths (especially when you include how many elderly people live in Flordia).

Okay. But you repeatedly said that you were "still waiting." Are you still waiting, or is the present surge in cases and deaths sufficient for you not to wait any longer?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by tk13

The protests are definitely not a zero risk thing, but like everything else, people in this country are mentally ill when it comes to politics. This probably shouldn't be in this thread anyway.

If you'll notice, people always complain about the series of protests that don't align with their political views. People who align with the right complain about these racial justice protests, and people who align with the left complained about when we had protests against the stay-at-home orders all over the country.

But notice it's never their own side that is the problem, it's the other side... it's the exact same BS when people say "That state is a mess and it's run by a (Democrat/Republican)." When states and cities run by both parties have screwed this up.

The reality is that outdoor transmission seems way, way less likely than indoor transmission, and people going to bars and restaurants are probably causing way more issues than any of these protests.

Yeah, outdoor transmission seems to be basically non existent. Which is why closing beaches and parks and such is just wrongheaded.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I literally said “both sides” in my original post, so you can go **** yourself with this narrative.

I’m stuck in the middle, but I see an overwhelming bias when it comes to who’s to blame for the spread. If you can’t see that, it’s because you’ve chosen a side or you’re willfully ignorant.

The sign of someone who got called out and didn't like it.

Outdoor transmission seems to be a lot more difficult than indoor transmission. You blamed it on the protests, and that's just not right. It certainly appears the biggest spreaders of this virus have happened at places like churches, factories, bars and restaurants. The waters definitely got muddied up because a lot of places opened up at the same time as the protests really ramped up. But even then you're seeing plenty of spread in areas that don't have any protests going on.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

It doesn't really make sense to call someone who just corrected you as dumbass.



Okay. But you repeatedly said that you were "still waiting." Are you still waiting?

You’re wrong. I’m willing to admit that I was being hyperbolic when I said “none” (thought that would be obvious), but if you’re claiming that’s inaccurate you’re 100% wrong. I have social media, I pay attention to what the politicians and medical experts are saying, and it’s pretty obvious there’s an overwhelming bias when it comes to who’s receiving most of the blame.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, outdoor transmission seems to be basically non existent. Which is why closing beaches and parks and such is just wrongheaded.

I can see the case for limiting the amount of people in these places, but I don't know about shutting them down completely.