***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Kind of like the protests, it should be another interesting case study. A lot (but not all) of Sturgis is outside, so that will help some. A lot of attendees won't be in the best shape, which makes it a bit more risky. On the other hand, they almost certainly over-index on smoking, which is one of those weird things that seems to reduce COVID risk.

Yea, it would be interesting to track the cell phones coming and going and see how it corresponds to any increase in CV10 cases.

[sedated]

I'm not sure if this is political or not, but Russian misinformation about US covid vaccine caused a bit of a stir on...you guessed it, Facebook

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...id=mailsignout

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Your welcome.

Your or you're.....I don't want to assume anything here

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[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

?

Hasn't this been known since April..?

I think they were really hoping it would work but didn't have hard data on it yet. Doesn't sound though that it is a game changer type treatment unfortunately.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think they were really hoping it would work but didn't have hard data on it yet. Doesn't sound though that it is a game changer type treatment unfortunately.

Yeah, it works fine, but scaling it is next to impossible.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Again you are doing exactly what I said people do. You have to keep both perspectives. Yes it is the #3 killer. And it has killed <.004% of our population.

Those are the facts. That's not a matter of opinion. We have to curb this thing but we cannot also act like it is wiping out half of our population either.

That does not mean we ignore it or open wide up or anything like that. But again, we cannot pretend it is worse than it is. And it is bad, don't get me wrong.

I believe I am keeping it in perspective though. This isn't the flu but a highly contagious infectious disease that left unchecked will kill millions of people and millions more people will get mild or no symptoms and we haven't figured out why that is yet.

There are other people who I won't name (not you) that believe the opposite which I quite haven't fully understood yet.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by stumppy

This should work out just fine.

https://rallysturgis.com/

80TH ANNIVERSARY
August 07-16, 2020
Celebrating 80 years of the world's largest biker party on the planet! Check out our list of rally Concerts and Events, or take a look at some of the Sturgis Webcams or the ride maps throughout the Black Hills. And if you need a place to stay for the rally, look no further!


Nothing like 100,000 people from all over the country getting together for a week of partying.

I really wouldn't worry about it. Statistics show that 100% of people alive today aren't dead proving that everyone alive is essentially immortal/ CP Data Analytics expert

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I really wouldn't worry about it. Statistics show that 100% of people alive today aren't dead proving that everyone alive is essentially immortal/ CP Data Analytics expert

100% of people not dead are alive......true story

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[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yep but Marcellus argument will be well we shouldn't shut down anything because we don't for heart disease or cancer. He is very transparent with his posts.

I think the initial shutdown was wise to keep from overwhelming hospitals etc...but frankly we are past that and are doing more damage than good at this point IMO. Its just politics now.

Considering the median age of death from Covid in the US is still around 78, its a valid argument. If this thing were effecting the same age group as H1N1 it would be a different story.

The countries that locked down early and did "great" are seeing another spike because Covid doesn't just go away no matter what you do.

The states seeing spikes now are places that didn't have them earlier.

Some of this stuff is hindsight but frankly a lot of people arguing early on and arguing now that shutting down schools and locking people in houses isn't the right solution have a valid argument.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think the initial shutdown was wise to keep from overwhelming hospitals etc...but frankly we are past that and are doing more damage than good at this point IMO. Its just politics now.

What exactly are you proposing we do differently than we are now?

And, do you acknowledge that we had a massive increase in new cases (and resulting deaths) in the places which relaxed and just re-opened with very little mitigation efforts in place?

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think the initial shutdown was wise to keep from overwhelming hospitals etc...but frankly we are past that and are doing more damage than good at this point IMO. Its just politics now.

Considering the median age of death from Covid in the US is still around 78, its a valid argument. If this thing were effecting the same age group as H1N1 it would be a different story.

The countries that locked down early and did "great" are seeing another spike because Covid doesn't just go away no matter what you do.

The states seeing spikes now are places that didn't have them earlier.

Some of this stuff is hindsight but frankly a lot of people arguing early on and arguing now that shutting down schools and locking people in houses isn't the right solution have a valid argument.

Agree.....

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think the initial shutdown was wise to keep from overwhelming hospitals etc...but frankly we are past that and are doing more damage than good at this point IMO. Its just politics now.

Considering the median age of death from Covid in the US is still around 78, its a valid argument. If this thing were effecting the same age group as H1N1 it would be a different story.

The countries that locked down early and did "great" are seeing another spike because Covid doesn't just go away no matter what you do.

The states seeing spikes now are places that didn't have them earlier.

Some of this stuff is hindsight but frankly a lot of people arguing early on and arguing now that shutting down schools and locking people in houses isn't the right solution have a valid argument.

I largely agree with this. We know the lethality of this virus is largely with elderly folks. That in no way negates the fact that the virus is deadly but again we cannot act like a 10 year old getting it is the same as a 70 year old. So while it is valid to say the youngers can spread it to the elders, it is also valid to say we can't shut everything down to prevent that either. Tough deal anyway you cut it.

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[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

What exactly are you proposing we do differently than we are now?

And, do you acknowledge that we had a massive increase in new cases (and resulting deaths) in the places which relaxed and just re-opened with very little mitigation efforts in place?

The death rate is not linear to the new case rate bud so the truth is the data shows the disease steadily becoming less deadly every single day.

But you love to ignore things like that.

Again do you realize the average age of a person dying from Covid is almost exactly the average life expectancy? Somehow I am sure you find that irrelevant.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The death rate is not linear to the new case rate bud so the truth is the data shows the disease steadily becoming less deadly every single day.

But you love to ignore things like that.

Again do you realize the average age of a person dying from Covid is almost exactly the average life expectancy? Somehow I am sure you find that irrelevant.

I don't know what data you are using to reach that conclusion. Are you using data, or just your gut? I'd be glad to review it, and not ignore it.

Speaking of ignoring, that isn't what I asked you. I asked you this:

Do you acknowledge that we had a massive increase in new cases (and resulting deaths) in the places which relaxed and just re-opened with very little mitigation efforts in place?

You either do, or you do not. Which is it?

Yes, I'm well-aware that this thing is much more lethal to elderly people. "We've" known that for going on six months.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The death rate is not linear to the new case rate bud so the truth is the data shows the disease steadily becoming less deadly every single day.



But you love to ignore things like that.



Again do you realize the average age of a person dying from Covid is almost exactly the average life expectancy? Somehow I am sure you find that irrelevant.

There's a reason I have him on iggy.

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