***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

He’s a little cavalier with “t cell immunity” they don’t necessarily confer “immunity” in terms of not catching the virus

They’re more of why there’s such mild and asymptomatic infections imo

Isn't the simpler explanation that truly asymptomatic and mild cases with positive tests are likely a detection of any other beta Coronavirus and not SARSCov2?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Isn't the simpler explanation that truly asymptomatic and mild cases with positive tests are likely a detection of any other beta Coronavirus and not SARSCov2?

The way pcr testing works, I don’t think so. It’s pretty specific from my knowledge but I may be way off there

If it were the case the test isn’t worth it as it’s not picking up what you want

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

The way pcr testing works, I don’t think so. It’s pretty specific from my knowledge but I may be way off there

If it were the case the test isn’t worth it as it’s not picking up what you want

Don't see how that's an issue. If you test 1000 people with 75 people who are actually infected with SarsCov2 and 100 test come back positive with all of those 75 true SarsCov2 infections accounted for, then there isn't really a negative to identifying the extra 25 false positives is there?

I get Hamas already went over the false negative/positive and test specificity thing much earlier in the thread, but my skepticism is stuck on the "there are six variants of symptoms" thing combined with the rates of actual asymptomatic positive tests with various rates of prevalence among all cases points me to a conclusion that the tests are picking up more than SarsCov2 specifically.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There are no easy answers here, but the damage to academic and social progression for kids due to this is going to be felt for decades.

I see comments like this and I just don't see how a year or so can cause issues for over a decade.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by O.city

The way pcr testing works, I don’t think so. It’s pretty specific from my knowledge but I may be way off there

If it were the case the test isn’t worth it as it’s not picking up what you want

Where I work we were all tested today. The tests that they used are QTR/PCR. They said they are the most accurate.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I see comments like this and I just don't see how a year or so can cause issues for over a decade.

There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.

It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.

It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.

If somone tries to rebut this with a BUT MUH VIRTUAL..they are an idiot.

[KurtCobain]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.

It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.

This is a really good sum up of how this whole thing is going to affect our youth heading into the future.

[Discuss Thrower]

Having an entire subset of a generation adapted to limited interpersonal activity and dependent on electronic content definitely serves an agenda.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

If somone tries to rebut this with a BUT MUH VIRTUAL..they are an idiot.

My issue with virtual learning is that it's HUGELY inequitable in terms of the quality of education kids are actually going to receive. If you have a high academic performer in the first place, they'll probably be fine. If you have a stable family and parents who are able to help, they'll probably be fine.

But kids with parents who either don't care or who aren't otherwise able to help (working multiple jobs or whatever) are pretty much screwed. And in many cases, poorer kids don't even have access to the technology they need at home to participate virtually anyway. (Yes, schools can give out equipment, but my mom works in a district where many kids in rural areas don't have internet at home, period.)

[Great8]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I see comments like this and I just don't see how a year or so can cause issues for over a decade.

Yeah losing 1 1/2 years (minimum) out of 12 won't hurt a thing.
My daughter is starting her Senior year in 2 weeks, virtually.
You think she isn't affected?
Not just by not being in school with her teachers face to face, but what about not getting to hang out with her friends?
How about no after school clubs and athletics?
Senior Prom?
Graduation?
All gone because of complete and utter fear on the parts of those who are supposed to have her best interest at heart.

She is beyond upset about it, and I'm 100% with her.

[Donger]

I wonder what the situation would be now if the task force guidelines had actually been followed. I guess we'll never know, but maybe we'd have large gatherings, sports and kids going back to school, and getting to be kids again.

What a terrible shame.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I see comments like this and I just don't see how a year or so can cause issues for over a decade.

That’s because you’re a ****ing moron.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder what the situation would be now if the task force guidelines had actually been followed. I guess we'll never know, but maybe we'd have large gatherings, sports and kids going back to school, and getting to be kids again.

What a terrible shame.

There weren’t going to be large gatherings or sports with fans until there’s a vaccine anyway

[Great8]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder what the situation would be now if the task force guidelines had actually been followed. I guess we'll never know, but maybe we'd have large gatherings, sports and kids going back to school, and getting to be kids again.

What a terrible shame.

We haven't any kind of issues here with people not following guidelines as far as I can see.
Virginia as a state has been masked up since damn near the beginning of this thing.
All we are doing is kicking the rock down the road and hoping for it to just disappear.
At some point in time, we are going to have to live with this thing instead of hiding from it.