***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Otter

Alex?

Alex??

Damn, really???

REALLY???

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by penguinz

I have the one on a Samsung phone. Not sure how accurate they are. Quick Google search gets mixed opinions. https://arc-w.nihr.ac.uk/Wordpress/w...2020_-1-1.pdf/ Says it is accurate.

Was briefly down to 93 after I had walked up and down stairs a few times as I kept forgetting thing. Was soon back up to 97+

I've seen extensive tests on these things. There's a reason that Apple has a disclaimer on their watch that says it's for fitness purposes only.

They can be very accurate but they're not very consistent.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I've seen extensive tests on these things. There's a reason that Apple has a disclaimer on their watch that says it's for fitness purposes only.

They can be very accurate but they're not very consistent.

Just FYI, Apple stays away from a lot of things for legal reasons. Their devices are actually FIPS compliant but they will not state it because they don't want to deal with any potential lawsuits, etc.

Just sayin....

[TLO]

No evidence for increased transmissibility from recurrent mutations in SARS-CoV-2

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19818-2

[penguinz]

I will feel fine for awhile. Go to kitchen to get food or drink and then be completely exhausted.

[petegz28]

Study finds 84% fewer hospitalizations for patients treated with controversial drug hydroxychloroquine

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...oxychloroquine

[Indian Chief]

Originally Posted by TLO

No evidence for increased transmissibility from recurrent mutations in SARS-CoV-2

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19818-2

I haven't read through all of that paper yet, but I know University of Texas (I mentioned earlier today) was convinced a mutation to the spike protein was responsible for greater transmission. Which anecdotally makes sense.

https://www.utmb.edu/newsroom/article13587.aspx

The UT article is linked at the beginning of that press release.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Study finds 84% fewer hospitalizations for patients treated with controversial drug hydroxychloroquine

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...oxychloroquine

One of the handling editors of that paper is Raoult, whose own HCQ papers have been roundly debunked. Zelenko is a noted quack


In contrast, NEJM just published the results of a randomized trial of HCQ for postexposure prophylaxis from PCR-confirmed-positive contacts and found no benefit.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2021801

Here are results of a double-blinded RCT for post-exposure prophylaxis using HCQ. Again, no benefit:

https://twitter.com/boulware_dr/stat...633984/photo/1


The IDSA says there is no use for HCQ in the treatment of COVID-19 hospitalized patients:

The guideline panel recommends against the use of either HCQ alone or in combination with AZ in the hospital setting as higher certainty benefits (e.g., mortality reduction) are now highly unlikely even if additional high quality RCTs would become available.


These are much, much larger datasets and they weren't organized by a general practitioner with no background in infectious disease who made claims that the pandemic response in his village was an attempt to kill Jews.

[Demonpenz]

on my way home from work yesterday I thought about going to the bar that my high school friends drink at when they come home for thanksgiving. It was ****ing packed. I didn't go in because it dawned on me that covid is still a thing.

[O.city]

Europe has all rolled over

Lockdowns work there?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by O.city

Europe has all rolled over

Lockdowns work there?

They lock down harder than we do

And people obey their government more than we do

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by loochy

They lock down harder than we do

And people obey their government more than we do

So does China

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So does China

The repercussions if they don't might be different in China .

[BigCatDaddy]

Speaking of...how has the vaccine in China and Russia been performing?

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Speaking of...how has the vaccine in China and Russia been performing?

The Pfizer release prompted Russia to release early phase 3 results for Sputnik showing 92% effective. It was from a really small sample size though.

China has a bunch of vaccines. None have finished phase 3 or released early data yet. At least 2 have emergency use already. They have been vaccinating people in certain jobs for months.