***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Good grief this is so much insanity. Maybe its just bad verbiage but like most everything Covid its pretty contradictory.

The CDC announced two acceptable quarantine periods, though it noted that the previously established 14-day quarantine is the best way to reduce the risk of virus spread. Officials said quarantine can now end after 10 days without a COVID-19 test if the person reports no symptoms, or after seven days with a negative test result if the person reports no symptoms.


"The updated information reflects that this risk of COVID-19 infection is not evenly distributed in the days after an exposure but rather is highest early on,” Dr. Lisa Maragakis, senior director of infection prevention at the Johns Hopkins Health System, wrote in an emailed statement.

Maragakis said most of the benefits of quarantine are realized early on, in the initial 10 days. Another expert at Johns Hopkins University, Dr. Gabor Kelen, director of the department of emergency medicine, said the changes would also resonate with the resistant American public.

“The main reason that the CDC cites for changing their guidance is to increase the number of people who are willing and able to comply with quarantine,” Kelen wrote. “Too many people continue to resist the recommended public health measures, for a variety of reasons, and this new guidance tries to strike a balance of allowing some risk from days 7 or 10 through day 14 in order to get more people to comply with quarantine.”


Dr. Robert Redfield on Wednesday said modeling data revealed that 10 days of isolation dropped the probability of the virus starting to replicate after that point to about 1%.


“The safest approach for those who are willing and able is to quarantine for the full 14 days since they could develop symptoms or begin to spread the virus at any point during the 14 day period following an exposure,” Kelen continued.

An expert with the Cleveland Clinic said the CDC’s new guidance appears to be based on sound clinical data and modeling and should make quarantine more tolerable for people.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Good grief this is so much insanity. Maybe its just bad verbiage but like most everything Covid its pretty contradictory.

What part are you finding to be contradictory?

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Good grief this is so much insanity. Maybe its just bad verbiage but like most everything Covid its pretty contradictory.

Just seems like them erring on the side of caution. "Recent studies show that the majority of the spread is within the first 10 days, however if a person is able to do so we advise a full 14 day quarantine"

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by sedated

Just seems like them erring on the side of caution. "Recent studies show that the majority of the spread is within the first 10 days, however if a person is able to do so we advise a full 14 day quarantine"

Yeah, that's how I read it. Not that different from "The best approach is to just stay home. However, if you can't, wear a mask and keep your distance."

[Bowser]

Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind 126.5 million people across the United States.

When it comes to Missouri, we think you’re behind 2.6 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

And in Platte County, you’re behind 32,900 others.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

First vaccine doses to be given in Buchanan County next Friday or Saturday....*It's happening*

I still think it's a great idea to let the politicians take the vaccine first, give it six months to observe, then reevaluate if it's a good idea or not.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

What part are you finding to be contradictory?

Their reasoning is contradictory. Either its safe enough to do it or its not.

"We think 10 days is fine but really you should do 14!"

Do you really think people resistant to a 14 day quarantine are going to go oh OK its just 10 days now so I am fine with it!

You really believe that?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Although cases are rising, the rate of hospitalization is not, and in this case it's not a great sign:

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle...=2714471&faf=1

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Their reasoning is contradictory. Either its safe enough to do it or its not.

"We think 10 days is fine but really you should do 14!"

Do you really think people resistant to a 14 day quarantine are going to go oh OK its just 10 days now so I am fine with it!

You really believe that?

There are rarely things in life that are black and white. Is it safe to get in a car or not? If you're in a car, will a seatbelt keep you safe?

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Their reasoning is contradictory. Either its safe enough to do it or its not.

"We think 10 days is fine but really you should do 14!"

Do you really think people resistant to a 14 day quarantine are going to go oh OK its just 10 days now so I am fine with it!

You really believe that?

Or maybe 100% understanding this quickly of a novel virus isn't possible, so they are being safe.

If they came out and said 10 days is safe, and then later said studies showed it wasn't, I'm sure NOBODY would call them lying hypocrites who keep changing their mind and don't know shit.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

First vaccine doses to be given in Buchanan County next Friday or Saturday....*It's happening*

They'll probably all be at Mosaic. Which I guess is probably for the best.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I still think it's a great idea to let the politicians take the vaccine first, give it six months to observe, then reevaluate if it's a good idea or not.

Nah..This is the Trumpcine. It's golden and Ill be getting it.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

A lot of that was due to backlog reporting from a short work week last week.

What makes you claim that?

[Demonpenz]

Its hard to have Thanksgiving when you are dead

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

What makes you claim that?

Common ****ing sense. The same reason the weekends are low and Tuesday and Wednesday is generally the highest days every week.

Or do you think people just die on Tuesday and Wednesday?


Let's put it this way...it's the SAME ****ing reason YOU always threw out about why weekend numbers were lower.

Have your last word and

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Its hard to have Thanksgiving when you are dead

Why so?