Jayson Oweh, Penn State

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This just doesn’t seem like a very good pass rushing class. There’s some decent guys at the top but there’s now way in hell I’m spending a first on this guy. At some point production matters.

And Chris had decent stats for a DT that was double-teamed a ton. Plus he just raped guys at MSU.

I think we need to focus early on the strength of the draft which is OL and WR

Oweh was pretty productive in 2019 though. He had 6 sacks. He’s shown that he can produce, but this was a weird year. These guys never even got into a groove playing 7 games without playing every single week. I’m telling you though, he absolutely got better regardless of the drop in production. It’s obvious when you watch 2019 tape and 2020 tape.

Chris Jones never had more than 3 sacks in a season. He wasn’t nearly as productive as he was disruptive. The comparison is more than appropriate, but disagree all you want.

Look, you guys can be scared off from the lack of production this year all you want, but it’s pretty obvious that you haven’t really watched the guy play. I’ll go a step further and say I don’t think any of you, other than crow, have even done your homework on the guy at all. I can just tell.

Just about all the experts and the draft community are higher on this guy than CP is. There’s a a reason for that.

I was anticipating this kind of reaction, because like I said, he’s absolutely going under the radar here.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oweh was pretty productive in 2019 though. He had 6 sacks. He’s shown that he can produce, but this was a weird year. These guys never even got into a groove playing 7 games without playing every single week. I’m telling you though, he absolutely got better regardless of the drop in production. It’s obvious when you watch 2019 tape and 2020 tape.

Chris Jones never had more than 3 sacks in a season. He wasn’t nearly as productive as he was disruptive. The comparison is more than appropriate, but disagree all you want.

Look, you guys can be scared off from the lack of production this year all you want, but it’s pretty obvious that you haven’t really watched the guy play. I’ll go a step further and say I don’t think any of you, other than crow, have even done your homework on the guy at all. I can just tell.

Just about all the experts and the draft community are higher on this guy than CP is. There’s a a reason for that.

I was anticipating this kind of reaction, because like I said, he’s absolutely going under the radar here.

He absolutely played better, especially run defense. That said, he struggles getting pressure and getting home altogether. He falls further against better competition. He has a thin frame and lacks any real power. At this point he opens himself up to lineman too much, he doesn't have the get-off you'd expect for his measurables, and he has no clue how to string together anything. He doesn't use his hands overly well. He's raw as hell. He is PURE height, weight, speed. You have to coach this kid up a ton. He should have stayed in college another year. I'm not taking that in round 1. Take him? Yes, absolutely. I'd take the raw product and hope I could mould it over the next couple of years, because that is likely what it will take, but I'd do it in round 2 or 3.

Tryon is light years beyond him in development but still needs some work, is also young and not fully matured, and has similar measurements. I'd take Tryon over Oweh every single day of the week and twice on Sundays with no reservations or hesitation. I've seen Tryon supplanting Oweh in several mocks recently, and I think a large part of that is ability to affect the QB right now.

Not a single NFL team has taken an edge rusher that has registered zero sacks in his final season in college going back for at least the past 20 years and the average is around 10 sacks. That's a huge, and I mean huge, discrepancy. Oweh's former teammate, Yetur Gross-Matos, was twice the player Oweh is at this point and coming off back-to-back 8+ sack seasons and still dropped to 38. To compound that, last year's draft saw Gross-Matos be the 2nd pure DE taken. This draft is far more loaded at the position than last year's.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

He absolutely played better, especially run defense. That said, he struggles getting pressure and getting home altogether. He falls further against better competition. He has a thin frame and lacks any real power. At this point he opens himself up to lineman too much, he doesn't have the get-off you'd expect for his measurables, and he has no clue how to string together anything. He doesn't use his hands overly well. He's raw as hell. He is PURE height, weight, speed. You have to coach this kid up a ton. He should have stayed in college another year. I'm not taking that in round 1. Take him? Yes, absolutely. I'd take the raw product and hope I could mould it over the next couple of years, because that is likely what it will take, but I'd do it in round 2 or 3.

Tryon is light years beyond him in development but still needs some work, is also young and not fully matured, and has similar measurements. I'd take Tryon over Oweh every single day of the week and twice on Sundays with no reservations or hesitation. I've seen Tryon supplanting Oweh in several mocks recently, and I think a large part of that is ability to affect the QB right now.

Not a single NFL team has taken an edge rusher that has registered zero sacks in his final season in college going back for at least the past 20 years and the average is around 10 sacks. That's a huge, and I mean huge, discrepancy. Oweh's former teammate, Yetur Gross-Matos, was twice the player Oweh is at this point and coming off back-to-back 8+ sack seasons and still dropped to 38. To compound that, last year's draft saw Gross-Matos be the 2nd pure DE taken. This draft is far more loaded at the position than last year's.

The best guys in the business (DJ, Zierlein, Brugler, the guys at Draft Network, etc.) all have Oweh as a 1st round pick.

Again, you’re in the minority here, which is fine, but I’m not exactly going out on a limb or being bold.

Generally speaking, the draft community loves this prospect and they’re not all that concerned with the lack of production.

They literally all say exactly the same thing I’m trying to say. He’s very disruptive on tape and he’s not an athlete playing football. He’s a football player, albeit a raw one. I’m confidently betting on the upside.

[RunKC]

Just watched some footage on him. He looks like a 3rd rd player that will be taken in the 2nd due to measurabled and athleticism.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Just watched some footage on him. He looks like a 3rd rd player that will be taken in the 2nd due to measurabled and athleticism.

I can’t wait to bump this thread when he inevitably goes in the 1st or very early in the 2nd.

Again, it doesn’t matter whether it’s DJ, Zierlein, Brugler, the guys at TDN, they ALL have him as a 1st rounder.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I can’t wait to bump this thread when he inevitably goes in the 1st or very early in the 2nd.

Again, it doesn’t matter whether it’s DJ, Zierlein, Brugler, the guys at TDN, they ALL have him as a 1st rounder.

It doesn't matter if he goes in the 1st or if he's rated by the media draftniks in the 1st. What really will be key is his career trajectory. I think he'd be alot better off if a team running a 3-4 drafts him as an OLB than he will be a 4-3 team at DE in terms of immediate impact.

Nobody is arguing he doesn't have the physical merits to become a good player, or at least I'm not. I just don't think he's a guy you take in round 1. You brought up Willie Gay and he's a phenomenal example of a guy you take later than round 1. IF Gay's on-field game (and availability) was on par with his physical abilities, he would have been a top 20 pick. He went 63rd. Veach banked on coaching that athletic ability up and he did it without spending a 1st. I look at Oweh the same way.

At some point I might release my DE analysis for Direkshun, but I can tell you where I'd have guys on my board in terms of talent, projection, and scheme fit:

1. Gregory Rousseau, Miami (6'6" 260)
2. Kwity Paye, Michigan (6'4" 277)
3. Ronnie Perkins, Oklahoma (6'3' 255)
4. Joe Tryon, Washington (6'5" 262)
5. Joseph Ossai, Texas (6'4" 250)
6. Jaelen Phillips, Miami (6'5" 260)*
7. Jayson Oweh, Penn State (6'5" 260)
8. Elerson Smith, Northern Iowa (6'6" 250)
9. Patrick Jones II, Pitt (6'5" 260)
10. Carlos Basham, Jr., Wake Forest (6'5" 285)
11. Rashad Weaver, Pitt (6'5" 270)
12. Dayo Odeyingbo, Vanderbilt (6'5" 279)
13. Daelin Hayes, Notre Dame (6'4" 268)
14. Jordan Smith, UAB (6'6" 255)
15. Jonathon Cooper, Ohio State (6'3" 255)

Notable omissions as guys I see as 3-4 OLB only: Azeez Ojulari, Georgia (6'3" 240), Zaven Collins (6'4' 250), Quincy Roche, Miami (6'3" 240), Shaka Toney, Penn State (6'3" 235), Hamilcar Rashed, Oregon State (6'4" 240), Chris Rumph, Duke (6'3" 235)
*#3 if not for Concussion history

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It doesn't matter if he goes in the 1st or if he's rated by the media draftniks in the 1st. What really will be key is his career trajectory. I think he'd be alot better off if a team running a 3-4 drafts him as an OLB than he will be a 4-3 team at DE in terms of immediate impact.

Nobody is arguing he doesn't have the physical merits to become a good player, or at least I'm not. I just don't think he's a guy you take in round 1. You brought up Willie Gay and he's a phenomenal example of a guy you take later than round 1. IF Gay's on-field game (and availability) was on par with his physical abilities, he would have been a top 20 pick. He went 63rd. Veach banked on coaching that athletic ability up and he did it without spending a 1st. I look at Oweh the same way.

At some point I might release my DE analysis for Direkshun, but I can tell you where I'd have guys on my board in terms of talent, projection, and scheme fit:

1. Gregory Rousseau, Miami (6'6" 260)
2. Kwity Paye, Michigan (6'4" 277)
3. Ronnie Perkins, Oklahoma (6'3' 255)
4. Joe Tryon, Washington (6'5" 262)
5. Joseph Assai, Texas (6'4" 250)
6. Jaelen Phillips, Miami (6'5" 260)*
7. Jayson Oweh, Penn State (6'5" 260)
8. Elerson Smith, Northern Iowa (6'6" 250)
9. Patrick Jones II, Pitt (6'5" 260)
10. Carlos Basham, Jr., Wake Forest (6'5" 285)
11. Rashad Weaver, Pitt (6'5" 270)
12. Dayo Odeyingbo, Vanderbilt (6'5" 279)
13. Daelin Hayes, Notre Dame (6'4" 268)
14. Jordan Smith, UAB (6'6" 255)
15. Jonathon Cooper, Ohio State (6'3" 255)

Notable omissions as guys I see as 3-4 OLB only: Azeez Ojulari, Georgia (6'3" 240), Quincy Roche, Miami (6'3" 240), Shaka Toney, Penn State (6'3" 235), Hamilcar Rashed, Oregon State (6'4" 240), Chris Rumph, Duke (6'3" 235)
*#3 if not for Concussion history

Oweh has been a consensus late 1st to earl 2nd from the beginning of the process while Gay went from a mid rounder to a 2nd. There’s a huge difference there between the 2.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I can’t wait to bump this thread when he inevitably goes in the 1st or very early in the 2nd.

Again, it doesn’t matter whether it’s DJ, Zierlein, Brugler, the guys at TDN, they ALL have him as a 1st rounder.

He could due to word of mouth but is that really a player you want to draft in the first rd?

I’m not drafting a player like this over some of the OL and receiving threats that should be there. It’s just too damn risky to draft a player like that with what’s available.

2nd rd? Sure.

How many players that had measurable but not production that went in the first rd were successful?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I can’t wait to bump this thread when he inevitably goes in the 1st or very early in the 2nd.

Again, it doesn’t matter whether it’s DJ, Zierlein, Brugler, the guys at TDN, they ALL have him as a 1st rounder.

Got the following #’s from well regarded speed coach Ryan Capretta of @proactivesp. Jayson Oweh: 4.34 hand/ 4.38 laser —> Jaycee Horn: 4.39 hand/ 4.42 laser. —> Micah Parsons: 4.41 hand/ 4.44 laser. Capretta correctly timed Isaiah Simmons last year at 4.38 laser b4 the combine.

— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) March 8, 2021