***Official 2021 STL Cardinals Thread***

[O.city]

Don’t panic and trade away more bats

They’ve shown they can develop some starting pitching

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Don’t panic and trade away more bats

They’ve shown they can develop some starting pitching

we have a lack of talent. We are not one pitcher away from a World Series. Anyone trading a worthy piece with us is going to demand Gorman +. We need Gorman for 6 years, not a starting pitcher rental.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BDj23

What's this gonna make it, 0-6 vs the Cubs on the year?

I wish, but no. You guys did win one game in St. Louis so you're 1-5.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

we have a lack of talent. We are not one pitcher away from a World Series. Anyone trading a worthy piece with us is going to demand Gorman +. We need Gorman for 6 years, not a starting pitcher rental.

I believe I said it when you guys got Arenado that I didn't think he made your team a winner. The Cardinals looked a lot like what I've been watching for the last 3 years, a couple decent bats in the middle of the lineup and 1 quality pitcher surrounded by a whole bunch of question marks.

Looking at Arenado's contract I don't believe he'll opt out but I don't think he was too happy with the Rockies and if the Cardinals don't make moves to improve the team he just might opt out.

Weren't there a couple deals involving Carlson a couple years ago that seemed pretty good but you were like no he's untouchable? Would you make those trades today if they were offered? He's not a good defender and he's looking like a league average bat.

The Cubs traded a better prospect than anything you have for a rental closer to win a WS and I wouldn't take it back.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by jd1020

The Cubs traded a better prospect than anything you have for a rental closer to win a WS and I wouldn't take it back.

Not apples to apples.

You had several top prospects already playing at a high level. Giving up 1 of 6 top prospects that were already playing at Wrigley to win a WS for the first time in 100+ years was a move any team would have made.

Gorman is the only player we have that could possibly be at a Bryant/Baez/Rizzo level. We need more of those, not trade away the only one we have currently.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Not apples to apples.

You had several top prospects already playing at a high level. Giving up 1 of 6 top prospects that were already playing at Wrigley to win a WS for the first time in 100+ years was a move any team would have made.

Gorman is the only player we have that could possibly be at a Bryant/Baez/Rizzo level. We need more of those, not trade away the only one we have currently.

Isn't/wasnt Carlson a higher rated prospect?

I don't think Arenado is going to hang around through 2 opt outs hoping a guy in AA is the difference maker. He might stick around this offseason on the promise that the Cardinals make moves because this FA is pretty loaded, but they better actually make the moves.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Isn't/wasnt Carlson a higher rated prospect?

I don't think Arenado is going to hang around through 2 opt outs hoping a guy in AA is the difference maker. He might stick around this offseason on the promise that the Cardinals make moves because this FA is pretty loaded, but they better actually make the moves.

Yes, Carlson has an All-Star ceiling too but he doesnt look to be a basher.


I've heard that there is not a 2nd year opt-out. There is only the one this year. The MLB PA wanted a 2nd year. But, who knows if thats true? Regardless, if you have talent, and your not happy, opt-out or not, you can get yourself traded in MLB.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yes, Carlson has an All-Star ceiling too but he doesnt look to be a basher.


I've heard that there is not a 2nd year opt-out. There is only the one this year. The MLB PA wanted a 2nd year. But, who knows if thats true? Regardless, if you have talent, and your not happy, opt-out or not, you can get yourself traded in MLB.

He had only one opt out. He agreed to waive his NTC to be traded to the Cardinals and in return the Cardinals had to agree to give him a second opt out. He can opt out after this year or next year.

He said its unlikely he'll use either of them because its probably unlikely he'll get more money, but he was also rumored to want a trade because the Rockies didn't make good on their promise to spend money to try and win. I can see him changing his tune on those opt outs if he sees the same shit coming from the Cardinals.