***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I thought anyone there can get vaccinated like here.

Yes, pretty much. They started 12 to 15 in early June.

[O.city]

Hospitalizations starting to tick back up in US. Hopefully it's short lived.

[Fish]

Delta variant in KC...

Contagious COVID variant found in Kansas City area wastewater, Missouri officials warn

The highly contagious Delta variant of COVID-19 has been detected in wastewater samples taken at some Kansas City area wastewater treatment facilities, according to tracking by the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services.

The water is not a danger to the public, officials say, but it is a sign that the variant is taking hold in the area.

The data comes as Missouri earned the dubious honor of having the highest rate of new COVID-19 infections in the United States, racking up a 72% increase over the last two weeks, according to a New York Times analysis. And it comes with new concerns over the rapid spread of this variant.

The latest wastewater testing, from the week of June 7, found levels of the variant at the Atherton and Rock Creek wastewater treatment plants, both in Independence.

It also found the variant in samples taken at treatment plants in Platte City and St. Joseph, north of Kansas City, the state health department’s tracking map showed. The week before, the variant was found in samples from the Atherton plant, and in Liberty, according to the map.

[Monticore]

Majority of COVID-19 infections, deaths now among unvaccinated people in Canada: Data

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...ehp&li=AAggNb9

Of the vaccinated individuals, only 0.0027 per cent died due to COVID-19 while partially vaccinated and 0.0018 per cent died due to COVID-19 while fully vaccinated"

[Monticore]

I forget about this guy , some light related humour.




His hand washing one was better i think

[Otter]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Eh, I don't think you'll see that at this point. I could see it driving people further apart, though. If we DO see any sort of a surge this fall and most people are like me and don't have any sympathy for unvaccinated people who die, it's probably gonna piss a lot of people off.

I just don't have any patience left. If you die from driving drunk, not wearing a seat belt, riding a motorcycle without a helmet, playing russian roulette, or not getting a COVID vaccine, that's on you.

Not looking for an argument but I don't think it's absurd at all for perfectly healthy adults to wait for the vaccine to have time to be refined or at least FDA approval before getting an experimental mRNA injected into their body.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Otter

Not looking for an argument but I don't think it's absurd at all for perfectly healthy adults to wait for the vaccine to have time to be refined or at least FDA approval before getting an experimental mRNA injected into their body.

They can choose not to get it because of fears of microchips for all I care. But if they wait and end up dying from COVID, that's their fault. Sorry you're dumb and paid the price. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you.

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by Otter

Not looking for an argument but I don't think it's absurd at all for perfectly healthy adults to wait for the vaccine to have time to be refined or at least FDA approval before getting an experimental mRNA injected into their body.

Time to be refined how?

The mRNA vaccines have been injected into humans for well over a year now. And we now have six months with tens of millions of Americans getting stuck with them. I would think that if they were dangerous, we'd know by now.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by DaFace

They can choose not to get it because of fears of microchips for all I care. But if they wait and end up dying from COVID, that's their fault. Sorry you're dumb and paid the price. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you.

Well damn, I was expecting you to pay for the wake, funeral, and dinner.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

Time to be refined how?

The mRNA vaccines have been injected into humans for well over a year now. And we now have six months with tens of millions of Americans getting stuck with them. I would think that if they were dangerous, we'd know by now.

Do some research on FDA approval. Specifically post-marketing safety monitoring before jumping to "we'd know by now" all while keeping in mind this is the first time mRNA is being used on humans.

And believe it or not, if I die because of my decisions I never expected DaFace or anyone to feel sorry for me because of them and never expected you to mourn.

Don't overvalue your self-importance to the world.

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by Otter

Do some research on FDA approval. Specifically post-marketing safety monitoring before jumping to "we'd know by now" all while keeping in mind this is the first time mRNA is being used on humans.

And believe it or not, if I die because of my decisions I never expected DaFace or anyone to feel sorry for me because of them that never expected you to mourn.

Don't overvalue your self-importance to the world.

If you mean VAERS, I'm well-aware of it. I'm also well-aware that the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are the first to be used in humans.

What are your specific concerns, and upon what facts are they based?

[eDave]

I just logged out to look at the Non-Political Political Kool-Aid Covid Thread.

at all the Covid induced communism they embrace.

They think they're not political and they swallow the mainstream media reporting when a majority in the country no longer trust their reporting.

And one Mod over there justified banning posters in case of what they might say, because they were a "conspiracy theorist."

New Terms of Service needs to include WARNING: Cancel Culture is practiced by Admin and Mods here on opinions they don't like on health.

Every single person in the Non-Political Covid Kool-Aid thread in the Lounge going along with it are their enablers, just as the German people circa 1930 because they bought the propaganda hook-line-and-sinker. There have, in fact, been times very much like this even if the form taken-on appears different. Yes, it can happen here, because it is.

- BEP

[MahomesMagic]

There were curious characteristics about the H1N1 influenza pandemic of 1977-78, which emerged from northeastern Asia and killed an estimated 700,000 people around the world. For one, it almost exclusively affected people in their mid-20s or younger. Scientists discovered another oddity that could explain the first: It was virtually identical to a strain that circulated in the 1950s. People born before that had immunity that protected them, and younger people didn’t.

But how on earth had it remained so steady genetically, since viruses continually mutate? Scientists guessed that it had been frozen in a lab. It was often found to be sensitive to temperature, something expected for viruses used in vaccine research.

It was only in 2004 that a prominent virologist, Peter Palese, wrote that Chi-Ming Chu, a respected virologist and a former member of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, told him that “the introduction of this 1977 H1N1 virus” was indeed thought to be due to vaccine trials involving “the challenge of several thousand military recruits with live H1N1 virus.”

For the first time, science itself seemed to have caused a pandemic while trying to prepare for it.

Now, for the second time in 50 years, there are questions about whether we are dealing with a pandemic caused by scientific research.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/o....co/navfhezcCt

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Otter

Do some research on FDA approval. Specifically post-marketing safety monitoring before jumping to "we'd know by now" all while keeping in mind this is the first time mRNA is being used on humans.

And believe it or not, if I die because of my decisions I never expected DaFace or anyone to feel sorry for me because of them and never expected you to mourn.

Don't overvalue your self-importance to the world.

why do you consider the FDA the gold standard for safety? Don't they regulate cigarettes and allowed questionable chemicals,/ingredients in you food over the years.

The ingredients in these that have been used in humans before and the trials were more for efficacy than safety.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by eDave

I just logged out to look at the Non-Political Political Kool-Aid Covid Thread.

at all the Covid induced communism they embrace.

They think they're not political and they swallow the mainstream media reporting when a majority in the country no longer trust their reporting.

And one Mod over there justified banning posters in case of what they might say, because they were a "conspiracy theorist."

New Terms of Service needs to include WARNING: Cancel Culture is practiced by Admin and Mods here on opinions they don't like on health.

Every single person in the Non-Political Covid Kool-Aid thread in the Lounge going along with it are their enablers, just as the German people circa 1930 because they bought the propaganda hook-line-and-sinker. There have, in fact, been times very much like this even if the form taken-on appears different. Yes, it can happen here, because it is.

- BEP

Huh?