***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

Real-world data out of Canada shows overall vaccine effectiveness (both doses) against symptomatic infection:

•AstraZeneca: 88%
•Moderna: 92%
•Pfizer: 90%

Overall against Variants of Concern:
•Alpha (B.1.1.7): 91%
•Delta (B.1.617.2): 85%
•Gamma (P.1): 89%

— Chise �������� (@sailorrooscout) July 22, 2021

Good data from real world study out of Canada

My only regret from getting the J&J vaccine is that they have distributed so few doses that there's not much good data for me to know how well it's doing.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

My only regret from getting the J&J vaccine is that they have distributed so few doses that there's not much good data for me to know how well it's doing.

Yeah, the stoppage wasn't ideal.

[BigCatDaddy]

My wife just got out of the hospital after 9 days with this shit. Nasty stuff for sure. I was vaccinated because I was eligible back in March but she wasn't. She wasn't anti-vac, she just put it off since the shit was gone in the area for like 2 months. I'm pretty anti-mask mandate for a few reasons mostly because the invasion of civil liberty doesn't warrant the small benefits of trying to make a few people wear cloth mask but man people really need to humble themselves and re-evaluate their stance on the vaccines. Sadly, I think people lump mask and vaccines into the same category and double down on their opinions instead of evaluating each thing separately. Once was fools gold and one is the real deal.

[O.city]

The only good COVID (related) wave pic.twitter.com/O4bGFDrlq8

— Theo Sanderson (@theosanderson) July 22, 2021

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

My wife just got out of the hospital after 9 days with this shit. Nasty stuff for sure. I was vaccinated because I was eligible back in March but she wasn't. She wasn't anti-vac, she just put it off since the shit was gone in the area for like 2 months. I'm pretty anti-mask mandate for a few reasons mostly because I think they are pretty ineffective but man people really need to humble themselves and re-evaluate their stance on the vaccines. Sadly, I think people lump mask and vaccines into the same category and double down on their opinions instead of evaluating each thing seperate.

Man, that sucks. Glad to hear she's out of the hospital.

[F150]

Guy this week, 50, dad to 3 girls, husband.......knew he was healthy and the Covid was like the flu....near Nevada MO

He died Tuesday. Delta.

People who deny themselves the vax often only think of consequences to themselves for such selfish decisions.

How will mom ever help her girls to understand dad was more into his own egotistical world than he cared for his daughters?

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

My wife just got out of the hospital after 9 days with this shit. Nasty stuff for sure. I was vaccinated because I was eligible back in March but she wasn't. She wasn't anti-vac, she just put it off since the shit was gone in the area for like 2 months. I'm pretty anti-mask mandate for a few reasons mostly because the invasion of civil liberty doesn't warrant the small benefits of trying to make a few people wear cloth mask but man people really need to humble themselves and re-evaluate their stance on the vaccines. Sadly, I think people lump mask and vaccines into the same category and double down on their opinions instead of evaluating each thing separately. Once was fools gold and one is the real deal.

Good to hear she's back home.

[O.city]

Fingers crossed and it's early, but it looks like the UK has peaked and is coming down.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by F150

Guy this week, 50, dad to 3 girls, husband.......knew he was healthy and the Covid was like the flu....near Nevada MO

He died Tuesday. Delta.

People who deny themselves the vax often only think of consequences to themselves for such selfish decisions.

How will mom ever help her girls to understand dad was more into his own egotistical world than he cared for his daughters?

After being in the situation I was in the last 9 days I totally agree. It's very self centered and egotistical. While in the hospital isolated for 9 days my wife was telling everyone of her family members and friends they better get the shot so they aren't where she is and she isn't where they are. Again some people aren't anti vaccinations...just don't put if off thinking if won't happen to them. I'm here to tell you it absolutely can. After seeing how badly it hit my wife in her 40's..you can see how it can be quite deadly.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by O.city

Real-world data out of Canada shows overall vaccine effectiveness (both doses) against symptomatic infection:

•AstraZeneca: 88%
•Moderna: 92%
•Pfizer: 90%

Overall against Variants of Concern:
•Alpha (B.1.1.7): 91%
•Delta (B.1.617.2): 85%
•Gamma (P.1): 89%

— Chise �������� (@sailorrooscout) July 22, 2021

Good data from real world study out of Canada

85% against delta is encouraging. It's not 100 but the hurdle figure is 65 percent for approval so still well above that.

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[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

My wife just got out of the hospital after 9 days with this shit. Nasty stuff for sure. I was vaccinated because I was eligible back in March but she wasn't. She wasn't anti-vac, she just put it off since the shit was gone in the area for like 2 months. I'm pretty anti-mask mandate for a few reasons mostly because the invasion of civil liberty doesn't warrant the small benefits of trying to make a few people wear cloth mask but man people really need to humble themselves and re-evaluate their stance on the vaccines. Sadly, I think people lump mask and vaccines into the same category and double down on their opinions instead of evaluating each thing separately. Once was fools gold and one is the real deal.

Good to hear BCD. I hope she continues to improve. And yes you are absolutely correct about the vaccines. People need to wake the **** up.

[dirk digler]

I meant to post this the other day but I was watching Dr. Osterholm on TV a couple of nights ago and he sometimes says outlandish things but he said something that made me say Oh shit.

Which was currently here in the US there is over 100 million people that are unvaccinated + never had Covid. Just taking a step back and thinking about that...I mean that is a huge pool of future infections which could generate more variants etc.

I will just say this ..get vaccinated if you can.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I meant to post this the other day but I was watching Dr. Osterholm on TV a couple of nights ago and he sometimes says outlandish things but he said something that made me say Oh shit.

Which was currently here in the US there is over 100 million people that are unvaccinated + never had Covid. Just taking a step back and thinking about that...I mean that is a huge pool of future infections which could generate more variants etc.

I will just say this ..get vaccinated if you can.

I wonder if insurance companies can start charging people more for being unvaxxed like they do with smokers - once this thing gets FDA approved. That one-two punch would convert a lot of fence-sitters I bet.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Swanman

85% against delta is encouraging. It's not 100 but the hurdle figure is 65 percent for approval so still well above that.

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85% against symptomatic infection is pretty good. That study has it in high 90's of serious infection and hospitalization.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I wonder if insurance companies can start charging people more for being unvaxxed like they do with smokers - once this thing gets FDA approved. That one-two punch would convert a lot of fence-sitters I bet.

I bet they will. My employer is giving everyone $30-40 dollar cut in premiums per paycheck if we are vaccinated. I guarantee you so many companies are just waiting for this to get fully approved so they can start mandating it. Not for altruistic reasons but they want employees back in the office. So I fully expect the vaccinations to sky rocket once it gets fully approved.