***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Fat Elvis]

Demographic breakdown of who has been vaccinated....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...2em1PaI4B1FB_k


Can't say that the results of this poll is too surprising...

Spoiler!

So who’s been vaccinated in the United States? And who hasn’t?

Well, our most recent NBC News poll sheds some light on those question, with the survey finding that 69 percent of all adults say they’ve already been vaccinated, versus 13 percent saying they won’t get vaccinated under any circumstance.

And here are the American adults who say they’ve already been vaccinated — broken down by demographic group:

All adults: 69 percent
Men: 67 percent
Women: 71 percent
18-34: 63 percent
35-49: 58 percent
50-64: 71 percent
65+: 86 percent
Whites: 66 percent
Blacks: 76 percent
Latinos: 71 percent
Urban residents: 79 percent
Suburban residents: 67 percent
Rural residents: 52 percent
White evangelicals: 59 percent
Democrats: 88 percent
Independents: 60 percent
Republicans: 55 percent
Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46 percent
Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62 percent
Democratic Sanders-Warren voters: 88 percent
Democratic Biden voters: 87 percent
Biden voters in 2020 general election: 91 percent
Trump voters in 2020 general election: 50 percent
White non-college grads: 60 percent
White college grads: 80 percent

[KCUnited]

That poll seems way off at first glance

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

I'd expect no less than a "Raiders fan" who thinks Carr isn't a good QB. Your ignorance and devouring of stupidity is epic.

Which Carrdashian are you? I'm guessing Darren ammitrite?

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, everyone thinks it's about censorship and "you just don't like my opinion", yet never look in the mirror.

There's plenty in this thread I've been skeptical about (without booting everyone) and everyone has their own biases of course, but generally the people who get booted from this thread are just here to stir shit one way or another.... of course politicizing things (and "other people are doing it" isn't an adult argument), or repeating the same things over and over and over to cause drama (and it's the 2nd time now you've brought this up when it was completelyoff topic), or stating those things as fact with nothing to back it up and having no interest in discussion (and I believe that's the first link you've provided).

I googled around last night and easily found several articles about it... several mentioning the 180k number, but a few also mentioned 80% of those people are denied entry... and other articles that go into detail about how all of that works with detainment and Covid testing.

Do I "agree" with what I read? Well, like just about everything, the truth is generally in the middle if you can find an outlet that doesn't have an agenda to grind.

I'm also not going to steamroll into a thread, completely change the topic (twice) while thinly veiling it into political bullshit because I heard something in my echo chamber that I can get on board with to "own" the other side.

Fair enough. The main reason I brought it up in the first place is I get sick of the beating each other up of vax vs unvaxxed which inevitably leads to political ideologies when there are other arguable variables.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by penguinz

My Aunt that lives in TX and is on par with the rabid anit-vaxers here was admitted to the ER with covid around 2am this morning. Last I heard she is not doing well.

Sorry to hear. I hope she gets stable and goes home soon.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Sorry to hear. I hope she gets stable and goes home soon.

Thanks!

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Fair enough. The main reason I brought it up in the first place is I get sick of the beating each other up of vax vs unvaxxed which inevitably leads to political ideologies when there are other arguable variables.

The fact that anyone thinks getting vaxxed is a political propolistion is pure insanity.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Fair enough. The main reason I brought it up in the first place is I get sick of the beating each other up of vax vs unvaxxed which inevitably leads to political ideologies when there are other arguable variables.

There's certainly a ton of nuance that gets lost in these arguments over time, where in the minds of others you end up as either 100% pro-forced-vaccines-for-everyone-at-any-cost or 100% antivaxxer-freedum-fighter.

And that goes for your posts as well, of course, by assuming those who are pushing to vaccinate (most) everyone are also of the ideology that pigeonholes them into certain views on immigration.

(I've personally learned a lot of shit about what goes on in border towns since moving to Arizona (second hand from people who have visited border towns and have seen some shit and heard much more) that's shaped my opinion on the subject that would re-pigeonhole me from predicted ideologies)

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Demographic breakdown of who has been vaccinated....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...2em1PaI4B1FB_k


Can't say that the results of this poll is too surprising...

Spoiler!

So who’s been vaccinated in the United States? And who hasn’t?

Well, our most recent NBC News poll sheds some light on those question, with the survey finding that 69 percent of all adults say they’ve already been vaccinated, versus 13 percent saying they won’t get vaccinated under any circumstance.

And here are the American adults who say they’ve already been vaccinated — broken down by demographic group:

All adults: 69 percent
Men: 67 percent
Women: 71 percent
18-34: 63 percent
35-49: 58 percent
50-64: 71 percent
65+: 86 percent
Whites: 66 percent
Blacks: 76 percent
Latinos: 71 percent
Urban residents: 79 percent
Suburban residents: 67 percent
Rural residents: 52 percent
White evangelicals: 59 percent
Democrats: 88 percent
Independents: 60 percent
Republicans: 55 percent
Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46 percent
Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62 percent
Democratic Sanders-Warren voters: 88 percent
Democratic Biden voters: 87 percent
Biden voters in 2020 general election: 91 percent
Trump voters in 2020 general election: 50 percent
White non-college grads: 60 percent
White college grads: 80 percent

Let's see the poll results for those who would rather use ivermictin over getting a vaccine.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Demographic breakdown of who has been vaccinated....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...2em1PaI4B1FB_k


Can't say that the results of this poll is too surprising...

Spoiler!

So who’s been vaccinated in the United States? And who hasn’t?

Well, our most recent NBC News poll sheds some light on those question, with the survey finding that 69 percent of all adults say they’ve already been vaccinated, versus 13 percent saying they won’t get vaccinated under any circumstance.

And here are the American adults who say they’ve already been vaccinated — broken down by demographic group:

All adults: 69 percent
Men: 67 percent
Women: 71 percent
18-34: 63 percent
35-49: 58 percent
50-64: 71 percent
65+: 86 percent
Whites: 66 percent
Blacks: 76 percent
Latinos: 71 percent
Urban residents: 79 percent
Suburban residents: 67 percent
Rural residents: 52 percent
White evangelicals: 59 percent
Democrats: 88 percent
Independents: 60 percent
Republicans: 55 percent
Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46 percent
Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62 percent
Democratic Sanders-Warren voters: 88 percent
Democratic Biden voters: 87 percent
Biden voters in 2020 general election: 91 percent
Trump voters in 2020 general election: 50 percent
White non-college grads: 60 percent
White college grads: 80 percent

Poll is less than useful since AA population is the least vaccinated if CDC data is to be believed.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Poll is less than useful since AA population is the least vaccinated if CDC data is to be believed.

Well they're alcoholics. Sneak up on them when passed out and jab 'em.

It's those stubborn meth heads that are going to be difficult to round up.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Poll is less than useful since AA population is the least vaccinated if CDC data is to be believed.

Numbers from Kaiser Family Foundation tend to agree with you; https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...race-ethnicity

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Otter

Well they're alcoholics. Sneak up on them when passed out and jab 'em.

It's those stubborn meth heads that are going to be difficult to round up.

Spoiler!

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

Numbers from Kaiser Family Foundation tend to agree with you; https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...race-ethnicity

Thanks for that. Just think it's important to bring up facts when these conversations tend to steer towards tearing each other down based on demographics. There a numerous folks showing their butts from all stripes. At this point anyone refusing to get the vaccine is a complete dufus. That's all there is to is. Just got done with a 10 day quarantine for my wife's breakthrough case. Just me, my 3 year old, and 6 year old. Hardest week I've endured since being downrange in Afghanistan. I can only imagine the heartbreak for families in the hospital. My wife was very sick, but I believe we would have been in the hospital without the vaccine. And she has 0 comorbid conditions as a 35 year old.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Thanks for that. Just think it's important to bring up facts when these conversations tend to steer towards tearing each other down based on demographics. There a numerous folks showing their butts from all stripes. At this point anyone refusing to get the vaccine is a complete dufus. That's all there is to is. Just got done with a 10 day quarantine for my wife's breakthrough case. Just me, my 3 year old, and 6 year old. Hardest week I've endured since being downrange in Afghanistan. I can only imagine the heartbreak for families in the hospital. My wife was very sick, but I believe we would have been in the hospital without the vaccine. And she has 0 comorbid conditions as a 35 year old.

Actual data vs. polling data, no matter what the subject is, tends to be extremely varied.

Like asking a bunch of 8 years old's if they ate their broccoli, 75% might say they did, but the left over broccoli on the plate tells a different story.