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Old 09-26-2021, 04:15 PM   #1
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Holy shit some drama going on in the 9th inning.
How in the **** did they screw that up so bad?
Okay, its an infield fly rule that was never called. The umps screwed up but okay, thats the right call according to the rule book. Batter is out and runners back to 1st and 2nd. How did they end up at 2nd and 3rd?

And if they advanced on their own as was their choice, the guy got tagged out at 2nd base. If its a live ball, why are the umps calling time on their own? If its not a live ball, why are the runners on 2nd and 3rd in scoring position to possibly end the streak on a base hit?
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Old 09-26-2021, 07:10 PM   #2
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How in the **** did they screw that up so bad?
Okay, its an infield fly rule that was never called. The umps screwed up but okay, thats the right call according to the rule book. Batter is out and runners back to 1st and 2nd. How did they end up at 2nd and 3rd?

And if they advanced on their own as was their choice, the guy got tagged out at 2nd base. If its a live ball, why are the umps calling time on their own? If its not a live ball, why are the runners on 2nd and 3rd in scoring position to possibly end the streak on a base hit?
The only thing I can think of is they called infield fly, so batter is out no matter what. I suppose at that time it doesn’t necessarily mean there is a force play at any of the bases since they are running after an out at first meaning they needed to tag the runner at 3rd for an out. They did tag the runner after he rounded 2nd, but the ump for some fricking reason called timeout before the tag.

The thing I wonder is if it is infield fly wouldn’t you need to tag up before advancing? They should have stepped off and thrown to the base of whoever didn’t tag the base before advancing.
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Old 09-28-2021, 09:30 AM   #3
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The only thing I can think of is they called infield fly, so batter is out no matter what. I suppose at that time it doesn’t necessarily mean there is a force play at any of the bases since they are running after an out at first meaning they needed to tag the runner at 3rd for an out. They did tag the runner after he rounded 2nd, but the ump for some fricking reason called timeout before the tag.

The thing I wonder is if it is infield fly wouldn’t you need to tag up before advancing? They should have stepped off and thrown to the base of whoever didn’t tag the base before advancing.
Its advance at your own risk and no need to tag up after infield fly rule is called. Ump just completely ****ed it up calling time.
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Its advance at your own risk and no need to tag up after infield fly rule is called. Ump just completely ****ed it up calling time.
Yes, had they tagged the runner at 3rd initially instead of stepping on the base it would have been game over. I wonder if the ump just wasn't heard. It is strange all around. You don't run if you hear the infield fly called, or at least you should be damn sure you can make it, and that certainly wasn't the case.
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How in the **** did they screw that up so bad?
Okay, its an infield fly rule that was never called. The umps screwed up but okay, thats the right call according to the rule book. Batter is out and runners back to 1st and 2nd. How did they end up at 2nd and 3rd?

And if they advanced on their own as was their choice, the guy got tagged out at 2nd base. If its a live ball, why are the umps calling time on their own? If its not a live ball, why are the runners on 2nd and 3rd in scoring position to possibly end the streak on a base hit?
It was called - umpire at 3b clearly put his arm straight up as Arenado pursued the fly. That was when the IF fly was called (and why the runner at 1b was still declared out).

At that point the rule is that the force is no longer in order and any runner has to be tagged. So when DeJong took the relay at 3b, tagged the bag and fired to 2b, nothing actually happened and that runner is still safe. The throw to 2b was also not a force.

The problem comes with the umpire at 2b. He made an 'out' call at 2b, presumably because he missed the infield fly call. In calling the runner out on the force, he presumed the runner vacated the bag after being called out. That's when the umpire realized he ****ed up and called time.

Since he called time before the tag was put on the runner, he waived off the out (even though the tag should've secured the out). The problem is that his presumption was incorrect - the runner had overrun the bag independent of the out call. Calling time was A) wrongheaded and B) just wrong. It was based on a faulty assumption and frankly even if it wasn't, the umpire doesn't get to just call time mid-play like that.

The runner at 2b should've been out (runner at 3b safe) but the ump at 2b gacked the call and then the crew chief backed his guy.
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It was called - umpire at 3b clearly put his arm straight up as Arenado pursued the fly. That was when the IF fly was called (and why the runner at 1b was still declared out).

At that point the rule is that the force is no longer in order and any runner has to be tagged. So when DeJong took the relay at 3b, tagged the bag and fired to 2b, nothing actually happened and that runner is still safe. The throw to 2b was also not a force.

The problem comes with the umpire at 2b. He made an 'out' call at 2b, presumably because he missed the infield fly call. In calling the runner out on the force, he presumed the runner vacated the bag after being called out. That's when the umpire realized he ****ed up and called time.

Since he called time before the tag was put on the runner, he waived off the out (even though the tag should've secured the out). The problem is that his presumption was incorrect - the runner had overrun the bag independent of the out call. Calling time was A) wrongheaded and B) just wrong. It was based on a faulty assumption and frankly even if it wasn't, the umpire doesn't get to just call time mid-play like that.

The runner at 2b should've been out (runner at 3b safe) but the ump at 2b gacked the call and then the crew chief backed his guy.
Based on that, then the runners should have scored in the ATL playoff game?
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Based on that, then the runners should have scored in the ATL playoff game?
They didn’t advance in that game. The butthurt in Atlanta was that the infield fly shouldn’t have been called in the first place.
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They didn’t advance in that game. The butthurt in Atlanta was that the infield fly shouldn’t have been called in the first place.
Correct.

Braves were pissed that IF fly was called at all. Once it's called, it's final. The instant the IF fly was signaled, the batter was out.

The runners advanced (which they could do either way) but the batter was out regardless of what happened at that point. When the ball fell between Kozma and Holliday, the Braves believed it should've been bases loaded and 1 out instead of runners on 2nd and 3rd and two out.

By rule they were wrong. And frankly I still believe the umpires got that call right.
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