Cover 2

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

I find it hard to believe that this is our offenses kryptonite. Do we really not have an answer for it? Why is our offensive playcalling so vanilla?

It's not that I'm impatient for the deep ball, but plenty of other teams seem to find ways to punish Cover 2 and force them to play up further, and we're the only team that somehow can't.

I hardly see us use motion to our advantage like we used to. I hardly see any sort of creative playcalling unless it's some dumb trick play or shovel pass at the goal line.

You'd think running the ball into Cover 2 would gash defenses, but apparently we ****ing suck at that too. And this is all we're gonna see the rest of the season. Deep Cover 2, stop the big play, hope our offense makes mistakes and gets off the field. And so far, it's working. Do we seriously not have any answers for this?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I don't think this squad is capable of getting up there and just smash mouthing it for many yards.

I really don't think they even have to do that. Even if it's with speed, they need someone who can make the other team pay. If you put safeties back 20 yards and drop 4-5 other guys into zone, we have to be able to rip off chunks on the ground. Even if it's on sprint or draw type plays. You don't need to Martyball it. You just need to force the safeties to come up and not be sitting in Olathe when the ball's snapped.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by tk13

I really don't think they even have to do that. Even if it's with speed, they need someone who can make the other team pay. If you put safeties back 20 yards and drop 4-5 other guys into zone, we have to be able to rip off chunks on the ground. Even if it's on sprint or draw type plays. You don't need to Martyball it. You just need to force the safeties to come up and not be sitting in Olathe when the ball's snapped.

Agreed. They don't.

They just need a reliable method to get a DC to bail from going 2 high.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Buffalo's DTs are nasty. They gave them a lot of issues.

They still want to run out of shotgun too much.

They need some good old-fashioned Power O plays against these fronts.

ISO, Power O, I formation with an H-back/FB clearing the way...

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by tk13

I really don't think they even have to do that. Even if it's with speed, they need someone who can make the other team pay. If you put safeties back 20 yards and drop 4-5 other guys into zone, we have to be able to rip off chunks on the ground. Even if it's on sprint or draw type plays. You don't need to Martyball it. You just need to force the safeties to come up and not be sitting in Olathe when the ball's snapped.

Getting Gordon on those slants and crossers would do wonders for that. And if you actually are effective running the ball, those safeties cheat up, which makes them susceptible to play-action/RPO.

[Big Gray Chief]

My hope is that these struggles will help Mahomes develop as a QB. Manning/Brady level QB's take what the defense gives you because they play to win and demoralize you defensively because anything you try to do they will know what the weakness is.

Another thought I had is what would Bill Belichick do with this team on offense?
- I imagine him building his roster so he has 3 capable running backs around which to game-plan. Remember AFC Championship game 2019 where they ran it down our throat, 48 carries for 176 yards. He does not have the ego where it has to look pretty, it just has to outscore the opponent.
- I imagine him using our 4 tight ends underneath and over the middle to make the defense pay.

Those are just a couple that come to mind. Another question: What happened to the CEH that was supposed to be able to run the entire route tree? That was the defining trait that set him apart from the other backs in that draft (Swift, Dobbins). He should be an absolute weapon right now.

My favorite comment is that the key to beating the cover 2 is blocking. Let's hope our Offensive line stays healthy (Thuney hand?) and continues to gel and we can make a nice run to make it interesting this year.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The OL absolutely is.

Ed Oliver was throwing Trey Smith all over the field last night.


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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Big Gray Chief

My hope is that these struggles will help Mahomes develop as a QB. Manning/Brady level QB's take what the defense gives you because they play to win and demoralize you defensively because anything you try to do they will know what the weakness is.

Another thought I had is what would Bill Belichick do with this team on offense?
- I imagine him building his roster so he has 3 capable running backs around which to game-plan. Remember AFC Championship game 2019 where they ran it down our throat, 48 carries for 176 yards. He does not have the ego where it has to look pretty, it just has to outscore the opponent.
- I imagine him using our 4 tight ends underneath and over the middle to make the defense pay.

Those are just a couple that come to mind. Another question: What happened to the CEH that was supposed to be able to run the entire route tree? That was the defining trait that set him apart from the other backs in that draft (Swift, Dobbins). He should be an absolute weapon right now.

My favorite comment is that the key to beating the cover 2 is blocking. Let's hope our Offensive line stays healthy (Thuney hand?) and continues to gel and we can make a nice run to make it interesting this year.

Mahomes is doing that. Not ideal becaust dink and dunk means more plays and that's increasing the changes for stupid mistakes. More importantly, your support players have to exploit what's given to them. Our RBs should be throttling these looks. When you've got every extra guy keying on kelce and tyreek, not hard to figure out that someone else is getting no attention. Yet none of our receivers are capable of exploiting it.

Our receivers are a big problem. First, we have to get out of the mindset of having all speed guys whose strength is deep routes. Second, our receivers have to be better at playing in short and intermediate space. Pringle doesn't have the ball skills and robinson and Hardman don't seem to have the football iq to do it.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Yeah, it’s pretty disturbing knowing that teams were going to use the Tampa blue print and Andy and Eb had all off-season to figure something out. Here we are in week 6 and still haven’t found a way to make teams pay when doing it. About like SPags point of emphasis was red zone defense during the off-season and we’re dead last in that category. lol

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

Yeah, it’s pretty disturbing knowing that teams were going to use the Tampa blue print and Andy and Eb had all off-season to figure something out.

We just scored 42 points against the Eagles.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

We just scored 42 points against the Eagles.

We’ll maybe I should have said against playoff caliber teams that have good coaching and the personnel to run scheme successfully.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

We’ll maybe I should have said against playoff caliber teams that have good coaching and the personnel to run scheme successfully.

Chiefs are top 5 in offense overall.

They know how to beat this scheme, they just aren't executing consistently.

People REALLY need to get over this Cover 2 meme.

It's like, do you not remember when the Colts came into Arrowhead TWO YEARS AGO and butt****ed this offense 19-13?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It's like, do you not remember when the Colts came into Arrowhead TWO YEARS AGO and butt****ed this offense 19-13?

I do. It was more excruciating than the Bills game on Sunday.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I do. It was more excruciating than the Bills game on Sunday.

The Texans and Colts games were ****ing BRUTAL