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Old 11-01-2021, 09:40 PM  
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We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants...
As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:48 PM   #16
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Oh yes we can. Even great running teams get stuffed on some plays.
That is total bullshit. The RBs averaged 4 YPC tonight.

You want to go back to three yards and a cloud of dust? That is what you are asking for if you pound average/below average RBs even more. Their YPC isn't going up.
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:50 PM   #17
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When they start to even out a bit....Most of them have been complete joked of a fluke
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That is total bullshit. The RBs averaged 4 YPC tonight.

You want to go back to three yards and a cloud of dust? That is what you are asking for if you pound average/below average RBs even more. Their YPC isn't going up.
Hate to break it to you but coming into tonight we are 4th in the league in ypc.

If we committed to the running game a little more I think you see that go up with Gore in the mix.

Face it, Smith, Creed and Thuney are wrecking shit on the inside and Brown is a better run blocker than pass blocker.

Trey Smith about killed someone tonight on a block. Our best drive of the night was nothing but handoffs.
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That is total bullshit. The RBs averaged 4 YPC tonight.

You want to go back to three yards and a cloud of dust? That is what you are asking for if you pound average/below average RBs even more. Their YPC isn't going up.
Our Oline will get better though, Defensive lines will get tired too

Mahomes will destroy with playaction if we really commit to running the ball. It's not like we don't have enough RBs to do it.

Gore,Williams,McKinnon,CEH, even Bolton can carry it on those quick hit runs
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This offense runs through Kelce, Hill and Hardman.

If you starting handing it off 30 times a game you are not doing your job as an offensive coach.

Counting receptions, tonight we gave the ball 30 times to Williams and Gore.

Hill, Kelce and Hardman touched it 21 times.

We are absolutely not cutting into those touches more with more running plays up center's ass to 4 YPC backs.
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Hate to break it to you but coming into tonight we are 4th in the league in ypc.
This stat is a lie.

Our RB1 and RB2 average less than four yards per carry combined right now.

The YPC is buoyed by Patrick and WR end arounds.
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The answer is straight forward… effectively running the ball (i.e. not running just to get minimal gains) and quick/short passes… but the Chiefs haven’t shown the discipline/patience to execute this.
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This offense runs through Kelce, Hill and Hardman.

If you starting handing it off 30 times a game you are not doing your job as an offensive coach.

Counting receptions, tonight we gave the ball 30 times to Williams and Gore.

Hill, Kelce and Hardman touched it 21 times.

We are absolutely not cutting into those touches more with more running plays up center's ass to 4 YPC backs.
The offense does not run through ****ing Hardman, you idiot.

That's the problem, we only have 2 receiver threats.

We need a legit possession receiver to keep the chains moving to give Hill and Kelce more targets.
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This offense runs through Kelce, Hill and Hardman.

If you starting handing it off 30 times a game you are not doing your job as an offensive coach.

Counting receptions, tonight we gave the ball 30 times to Williams and Gore.

Hill, Kelce and Hardman touched it 21 times.

We are absolutely not cutting into those touches more with more running plays up center's ass to 4 YPC backs.
I don't think we have to hand it off 30 times. But you definitely need a larger play count of runs and throwing to the backs.

30 total touches is not bad when they work. How many deep passes did we hit tonight? How many deep passes did we even come close to hitting?
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You guys really want more up the butt runs?

This is the problem with our running game.

We have NO RUNNING BACK on the roster that can get outside.

The defense can completely key in between the tackles on running plays.

That is why our running backs are not as productive as they could be.

If we give them 10 handoffs each a game, that is more than enough. Any more and you are taking the ball out of Kelce, Hill and Hardman's hands.

No. No. No.

The playcalling is fine. We don't want more touches to the slowest, least quick offensive skill position players.

Deal with it.
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I don't know WTF happened after the first 4 weeks of the season... it's not like they've been this bad on offense all year or they were airing it out for a month and teams put an abrupt stop to it.

They were turning over the ball a lot and were still putting up 30 points per game.
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The answer is straight forward… effectively running the ball (i.e. not running just to get minimal gains) and quick/short passes… but the Chiefs haven’t shown the discipline/patience to execute this.
Exactly. Which is why teams haven't come out of their deep coverages. They know we won't stay with it. Until we do we are going to struggle. We saw all night the safeties for the Giants playing 15 yards off if not more.
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The offense does not run through ****ing Hardman, you idiot.
He has an absolute shit ton of touches. He is far more explosive with the ball in his hands.

Hardman > Williams, easy.

Williams only gets the yards he does because the defense is so scared of everyone else.
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