*****The Rashad Fenton Thread*****

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Fenton is such a nice player to have. Playing a prime position at a dirt cheap price with nothing but a 6th round pick invested, and he's literally been solid since day one. Always seems to be in the right spot.

Love the guy.

Ward for the cost of a guy you were going to cut, Sneed for a 4th and Fenton for a 6th. That's been Veach's best work by FAR.

And you wonder how much is scouting vs. how much of it is coaching until you see Hughes and Baker go out there and pretty much suck. The coaches couldn't turn those two into anything viable (though I still think Baker could evolve into a Breeland sort of physical press corner due to his length and strength).

Veach has done an amazing job building a cost-effective secondary. He's gonna need to keep it up though - Ward's a FA this off-season, Fenton after next and Sneed the year after that. Gonna need to keep the pipeline going because even finding average CBs for less than $10 million/yr these days is a tall order.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ward for the cost of a guy you were going to cut, Sneed for a 4th and Fenton for a 6th. That's been Veach's best work by FAR.

And you wonder how much is scouting vs. how much of it is coaching until you see Hughes and Baker go out there and pretty much suck. The coaches couldn't turn those two into anything viable (though I still think Baker could evolve into a Breeland sort of physical press corner due to his length and strength).

Veach has done an amazing job building a cost-effective secondary. He's gonna need to keep it up though - Ward's a FA this off-season, Fenton after next and Sneed the year after that. Gonna need to keep the pipeline going because even finding average CBs for less than $10 million/yr these days is a tall order.

When you lay it all out there like that and look at the entire picture, it makes it even more amazing.

Is there a corner trio in the league I'd take over Sneed/Ward/Fenton? Probably a few, sure. However, when you take into account the fact there was literally next to nothing invested in any of them and they are all playing for peanuts, I'm not sure there is a group that looks better taking all aspects into consideration.

As you mentioned, at a position where guys like Steven Nelson are getting $10 million a year, it makes all the difference in the world to the construction of the roster. Now we're seeing the same thing at C/RG where we'll have two elite talents playing for almost nothing the next 2-3 years, and hopefully RT will be the same deal.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

When you lay it all out there like that and look at the entire picture, it makes it even more amazing.

Is there a corner trio in the league I'd take over Sneed/Ward/Fenton? Probably a few, sure. However, when you take into account the fact there was literally next to nothing invested in any of them and they are all playing for peanuts, I'm not sure there is a group that looks better taking all aspects into consideration.

As you mentioned, at a position where guys like Steven Nelson are getting $10 million a year, it makes all the difference in the world to the construction of the roster. Now we're seeing the same thing at C/RG where we'll have two elite talents playing for almost nothing the next 2-3 years, and hopefully RT will be the same deal.

Honestly, Steven Nelson is the name I keep coming back to w/ Fenton. And I know his name is mud 'round here since he was a monumental assbag, but he was still a really solid player for us.

Getting that kind of player for a 3rd rounder with Nelson was something of a steal but getting it in the 6th is an outright coup.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Honestly, Steven Nelson is the name I keep coming back to w/ Fenton. And I know his name is mud 'round here since he was a monumental assbag, but he was still a really solid player for us.

Getting that kind of player for a 3rd rounder with Nelson was something of a steal but getting it in the 6th is an outright coup.

Really solid player is a stretch. Barely avg corner is a better definition. I think Fenton is better than he is, though

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ward for the cost of a guy you were going to cut, Sneed for a 4th and Fenton for a 6th. That's been Veach's best work by FAR.

And you wonder how much is scouting vs. how much of it is coaching until you see Hughes and Baker go out there and pretty much suck. The coaches couldn't turn those two into anything viable (though I still think Baker could evolve into a Breeland sort of physical press corner due to his length and strength).

Veach has done an amazing job building a cost-effective secondary. He's gonna need to keep it up though - Ward's a FA this off-season, Fenton after next and Sneed the year after that. Gonna need to keep the pipeline going because even finding average CBs for less than $10 million/yr these days is a tall order.

Sneed's skillset/abilities/makeup are so unusual, he'll have to be paid, IMO. Fenton, unfortunately, may be left out with Ward, although we should have some cap relief at safety (I hope).

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Sneed's skillset/abilities/makeup are so unusual, he'll have to be paid, IMO. Fenton, unfortunately, may be left out with Ward, although we should have some cap relief at safety (I hope).

I think so too. Fenton will get a nice contract somewhere but will be an excellent drafted player in his time here.

I think the same of Willie Gay. He’s been quality but there’s no way we’re paying him a 2ns contract. That’s for Bolton.

Sneed and Bolton are definitely getting 2nd contracts here

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think so too. Fenton will get a nice contract somewhere but will be an excellent drafted player in his time here.

I think the same of Willie Gay. He’s been quality but there’s no way we’re paying him a 2ns contract. That’s for Bolton.

Sneed and Bolton are definitely getting 2nd contracts here

Depending on his development, I could see paying Gay as well and going young/cheap with the 3rd guy.

Chiefs coaches seem to think they can develop CBs if given enough clay. Hughes and Baker may not pan out, but they certainly possessed the right "materials."

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think so too. Fenton will get a nice contract somewhere but will be an excellent drafted player in his time here.

I think the same of Willie Gay. He’s been quality but there’s no way we’re paying him a 2ns contract. That’s for Bolton.

Sneed and Bolton are definitely getting 2nd contracts here

The Chiefs have been looking for a LB with that kind of speed and athleticism for quite some time. I wouldn’t assume that Gay doesn’t get a 2nd contract.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

The Chiefs have been looking for a LB with that kind of speed and athleticism for quite some time. I wouldn’t assume that Gay doesn’t get a 2nd contract.

Sneed is probably going to cost around $15m AAV. Bolton likely around $13-14m AAV.

That’s not counting Creed Humphrey and Orlando Brown (I think we’ll pay him).

You can’t pay everyone with a Mahomes level contract on the books, but if we can squeeze someone in then it’s not Willie Gay.

IMO extra cash to keep our own should go to Trey Smith

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Sneed is probably going to cost around $15m AAV. Bolton likely around $13-14m AAV.

That’s not counting Creed Humphrey and Orlando Brown (I think we’ll pay him).

You can’t pay everyone with a Mahomes level contract on the books, but if we can squeeze someone in then it’s not Willie Gay.

IMO extra cash to keep our own should go to Trey Smith

So many of those bridges are WAY down the road, fortunately.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

So many of those bridges are WAY down the road, fortunately.

Exactly why it’s silly to try to predict who they will sign long term.

We have no idea how good these guys will be or if they will regress between now and then.

For now, let’s just enjoy having young talented players on rookie deals while adding more.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Sneed is probably going to cost around $15m AAV. Bolton likely around $13-14m AAV.

That’s not counting Creed Humphrey and Orlando Brown (I think we’ll pay him).

You can’t pay everyone with a Mahomes level contract on the books, but if we can squeeze someone in then it’s not Willie Gay.

IMO extra cash to keep our own should go to Trey Smith

Dude….all of that is like 3-4 years away.

Let’s enjoy the moment.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

The Chiefs have been looking for a LB with that kind of speed and athleticism for quite some time. I wouldn’t assume that Gay doesn’t get a 2nd contract.

Bolton's skill-set is easier to find than Gay's.

If Gay can put the injury history behind him, he's the guy you sign. He combines Bolton's aggression with premier athleticism. And while Bolton's instincts are better, Gay's speed is just remarkable and makes him more versatile.

I LOVE Nick Bolton, for obvious reasons. But Gay, if healthy, is a guy that's just really damn hard to find.

It's the same sort of analysis as Sneed/Fenton. Gay's ceiling, like Sneed's, is so much higher than the other guy that you've gotta hold onto him.

But sadly we'll be getting cap relief from Kelce by then (who's gonna be nearing his ride into the sunset) and Thuney. Even Jones. We'll have a pretty lean cap situation when those decisions are needing to be made.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Bolton's skill-set is easier to find than Gay's.

If Gay can put the injury history behind him, he's the guy you sign. He combines Bolton's aggression with premier athleticism. And while Bolton's instincts are better, Gay's speed is just remarkable and makes him more versatile.

I LOVE Nick Bolton, for obvious reasons. But Gay, if healthy, is a guy that's just really damn hard to find.

It's the same sort of analysis as Sneed/Fenton. Gay's ceiling, like Sneed's, is so much higher than the other guy that you've gotta hold onto him.

But sadly we'll be getting cap relief from Kelce by then (who's gonna be nearing his ride into the sunset) and Thuney. Even Jones. We'll have a pretty lean cap situation when those decisions are needing to be made.

Gay does have athleticism but I think Bolton is harder to find. Willie is not a particularly smart player whereas Bolton is.

And Bolton is athletic enough. He was fast as shit to that TFL that Ingram caused. He came from across the field too.

I think Bolton’s IQ is the difference here. He’s a step faster due to that and can really pick up formations already. It’s just so valuable to have that type of QB of your defense in the middle of the field.

I would love to keep both but we’ll see

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Willie is not a particularly smart player whereas Bolton is.

This is one of those things you pulled out of your ass. No idea what would cause to you reach that conclusion.

Gay was a limited snap player last season as he did not nearly have the starting snaps in college that Bolton had.

Also, Gay was playing behind a pair of starters that he was never going to supplant in year 1, even though he did see his snap count ramp up as the season wore on.

In Gay's time this season, i can't recall any egregious mistakes on his part. Not blown coverages, not missed run gaps etc.

Bolton OTOH, was rushed into starting snaps thanks to injuries to Gay and Hitchens. In that time he's blown a number of coverages and run gaps as he learns to play in the NFL.

There has been ZERO indication that Gay is not a particularly smart player, or even less intelligent than Bolton. That's a bunch of crap.