Texans cut Phillip Lindsay

[Hammock Parties]

SIGN HIM VERCH!

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You're quoting a bunch of stuff here that I'm not saying.

The entirety of which:

The Chiefs are not beyond being figured out. Defenses have figured them out much of this season.

Reid prefers RBs that can block, because it gives him an extra wrinkle to counter DCs. Lacking the ability to block is a signal to a competent DC that a section of the Chiefs playbook can be safely ignored when he's the RB in the huddle.

If Lindsay can't block, than he's not going to get snaps on this team.

That is the entirety of my position, and it's pretty much indisputable. Claiming I've said anything outside that position is incorrect.

Who said Lindsay can't block. It might not be his "thing", but can't and not great at it are two different things.

You think Lindsay made it this far in the league being completely incapable of blocking?

This is a dumb, pointless argument, dude. You took a chance to preach on a pedestal but you fell off face first.

[ToxSocks]

"If a WR had stumps instead of hands, he can't catch and therefore won't get any snaps. That's all im saying"

-Direkshun

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

So, why would the Texans release him? That'd be my first concern.

The Texans are a stupid organization.

I mean a far FAR smarter organization in the Steelers essentially gave us Melvin Ingram despite playing us later in the year AND possibly needing to stay ahead of us for a playoff spot.

Sometimes teams do dumb stuff.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Buddy, c'mon.

If he has a small handful of scripted plays every week, that will cue the defense.

This isn't difficult. When you play sports, you constantly take cues, and if there's a guy who can't dribble or pass or handle the ball well or does one or two things exceptionally well, you key up on it.

The question is less about what he may key, but what exactly they can do about it. More critically, what Andy can then do about it.

If they start crashing anytime they see Lindsay in there, it's gonna take about 30 seconds for Andy to put in an RPO look off that and get Kelce or Hill free in space.

This isn't like Gore, who will identify that we're going to run the ball in the same way we would otherwise run the ball. This is a guy who is a changeup in his own right. And if you respond to his presence on the field, Andy's going to respond back.

I'm not terribly worried about telegraphing what we'd be doing with Lindsay if only because Reid can even use THAT to his advantage.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

What is it going to key? That he's not going to be blocking? That doesn't mean anything. Half our plays are rpo's anyway. I'm not for signing him but this is a dumb argument.

Or I could've just said 'this'

[scho63]

Signing him would equal all the great production we are getting from Josh Gordon.

Do not need, do not want

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm not terribly worried about telegraphing what we'd be doing with Lindsay if only because Reid can even use THAT to his advantage.

Dang, who woulda known that the secret to drawing defenders into the box was a RB who can't pass block.

Direkshun, you sly dog.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

don't say it.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The question is less about what he may key, but what exactly they can do about it. More critically, what Andy can then do about it.

If they start crashing anytime they see Lindsay in there, it's gonna take about 30 seconds for Andy to put in an RPO look off that and get Kelce or Hill free in space.

This isn't like Gore, who will identify that we're going to run the ball in the same way we would otherwise run the ball. This is a guy who is a changeup in his own right. And if you respond to his presence on the field, Andy's going to respond back.

I'm not terribly worried about telegraphing what we'd be doing with Lindsay if only because Reid can even use THAT to his advantage.

I mean, all of this. Don't we WANT teams to key off of personnel? That literally allows us to take advantage of their "tendency."

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Who said Lindsay can't block. It might not be his "thing", but can't and not great at it are two different things.

You think Lindsay made it this far in the league being completely incapable of blocking?

This is a dumb, pointless argument, dude. You took a chance to preach on a pedestal but you fell off face first.

I don't know what that last sentence means.

I'm not saying he can't block. Literally my first post on the subject was asking. You're insisting that it doesn't matter that much.

But it does. Our QB is worth half a billion dollars.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The question is less about what he may key, but what exactly they can do about it. More critically, what Andy can then do about it.

If they start crashing anytime they see Lindsay in there, it's gonna take about 30 seconds for Andy to put in an RPO look off that and get Kelce or Hill free in space.

This isn't like Gore, who will identify that we're going to run the ball in the same way we would otherwise run the ball. This is a guy who is a changeup in his own right. And if you respond to his presence on the field, Andy's going to respond back.

I'm not terribly worried about telegraphing what we'd be doing with Lindsay if only because Reid can even use THAT to his advantage.

Again, this entire discussion is premised on the idea that you've confirmed, which is that Lindsay can't block well.

And you're right, that does create a cue, from which there are adjustments and counter adjustments to be had.

But it's a game of adjustability that Reid doesn't like to play. He'll play it in other areas, but he doesn't really play it with RBs who can't block.

As you know, that's why I asked. Reid just doesn't like giving snaps to RBs who can't pass protect.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Dang, who woulda known that the secret to drawing defenders into the box was a RB who can't pass block.

Direkshun, you sly dog.

OKAY NOW WAIT

You were just insisting that Lindsay's lack of blocking cannot be a cue to defenses.

Now you're agreeing with DJLN that it's a cue from which we can take advantage.

Pick a position, please.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

So, why would the Texans release him? That'd be my first concern.

Why did the Steelers not play Ingram which lead to him wanting out?
Why did 9 teams pass on Patrick Mahomes?
Why did nearly 32 teams pass on Creed Humphrey twice?

There are some stupid decision makers out there

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Why did the Steelers not play Ingram which lead to him wanting out?
Why did 9 teams pass on Patrick Mahomes?
Why did nearly 32 teams pass on Creed Humphrey twice?

There are some stupid decision makers out there

The Mahomes and Humphrey decisions were based on completely different data points than the Ingram one. The Texans have had Lindsey on their NFL roster for a while and decided he's not worth a roster spot. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but it's nowhere near the same situation as Mahomes and Humphrey (or even Ingram where they got a pick out of the deal.)

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

OKAY NOW WAIT

You were just insisting that Lindsay's lack of blocking cannot be a cue to defenses.

Now you're agreeing with DJLN that it's a cue from which we can take advantage.

Pick a position, please.

I'm not convinced it will be or it won't - I'm saying I simply don't care either way.

If he isn't - bully. If he is, Andy will immediately use that against teams.

I'd agree that he often doesn't play RBs he doesn't trust in pass pro but A) We're in some weird new era where teams just don't blitz Patrick Mahomes and B) He seems to maybe have a blind spot in this regard for veteran backs.

Bottom line is that he brings a skill we don't have and he'll likely bring it cheap. If we use it - great. If we don't - well that's too bad. I don't see any reason to NOT pick him up when all it would cost us is an IR trip for McKinnon.