Reid is a terrible chess player

[davewan]

Andy Reid is apparently incapable of thinking several moves ahead. As an NFL head coach, he should have been able to quickly think through what he would have done if he had the ball at the goal line in a tie game with 2:30 to go and 4 downs to score. He should have been able to easily deduce that he would do exactly what Cincinnati did. But he didn't. And that's absolutely incredible.

Sadly, it's clear that he has no idea that his drop dead core philosophy should be, "If you're going to beat me, it's not going to be because my best player was standing on the sidelines, it's going to be because you stopped him while he was on the field."

Because Reid could not bring himself to do what was necessary - in other words, to let the other team score - to get his best player back on the field with time on the clock to win the game, he permitted Cincinnati to win that game. It was HIS failure and his alone.

It's not a question of not competing on defense if you let the other team score. It's a question of what in that situation is your best chance to win. And the Chiefs' best chance to win wasn't to stop Cincinnati. They were going to score. The question was how much time - if any - would be on the clock with they did. The Chiefs' best chance to win was to get Mahomes back on the field as fast as possible, no matter the cost.

No matter how big a steaming pile of dogsh*t the officials were, no matter how stupid Spagnuolo was in how he failed to stop Chase, no matter the holding call on the kick return touchdown or Tyreke dropping the ball in the first half...everything comes down to Reid's lack of a philosophy that says if he's going to lose, it's not going to be with his best guy standing on the sidelines.

[Megatron96]

This is the dumbest thread in history. And I loved Marty. But there'd no comparison between Marty and Reid. Marty got so tight in playoff games you could actually hear his sphincter pucker up through the TV. Without Joe ****ing Montana to literally push him over the cliff, Marty never goes for it on that play that ultimately wins the game.

Holy shit this is a stupid thread.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

You have to consider the current dynamics in the game though... the Chiefs defense was getting shredded by the Bengals, having just given up a 3rd and 27 conversion AND the refs were calling a ridiculously tight game in terms of defensive penalties.

Given those two dynamics, the probability of the Chiefs holding the Bengals to 3 and still leaving enough time for Mahomes to respond was not good.

The current dynamics? No, it's simple mathematics. The only way KC doesn't get the ball back with 50 seconds left is if the Bengals get a 1st and goal from the 1 after the 2-minute warning when playing from the 11. A team is going to try to operate for the TD there 10/10 times and has nearly the same scoring probability as if they were operating from the 10. The likelihood that they get a 1st and goal from the 1 is relatively low because of the situation and yards to goal.

Here's an article that literally talks about it from a similar perspective with better data than I want to regurgitate:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...downs-red-zone

Granted, if the Bengals did get a 1st and goal relatively quickly after the 2-minute warning, then there is a ton of credence to letting them score so you at least have time to try and tie because you'll otherwise lose anyhow. That simply wasn't the case at any point the way things went down, and they couldn't have went any better for Reid's decision sans the back-to-back penalties that completely ****ed the Chiefs.

[crazycoffey]

Reid is guilty of showing his hand too soon. I wonder if playing his good play calling would be better in the second half…….

[Reroka]

I do not think that he is a bad chess player, I just think that he is too nice. He needs to stop letting his foot off the gas when we are ahead. Who cares if you run up the score.

[Baby Lee]

Not going to delve into the merits of the OP itself, but I am curious about this dynamic where people criticize a specific aspect of someone's skillset and people immediately go to the narrative that it's a criticism of their entire existence.

People have criticized Reid in various specific ways over the years, he doesn't pound the rock, he has trouble with time management, he flubs challenges, . . . here it's about the strategy of a highly specific situation.

If people had posted that Reid is not very good at sculpted abs, or cum-gutter hips, would you immediately jump to 'he's a HoF coach, I think he's the most fit, healthy and muscularly toned person in history? Why don't you root for a team with a meathead gym rat like Sean McVay, loser?!?!'

This goes a lot wider than the issue of Reid, it's a debating dynamic I've seen on the rise in a number of venues, and am curious if anyone else has defense or criticism, or championing or denial, or whatever, of it.

[UK_Chief]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Idk dude check out the post I quoted below. Because this guy already convinced me against your argument with this 5D gem of a post from less than a month ago. So you should talk to him.



If Andy had only listened to this genius he wouldn’t have instructed Patrick to keep throwing against the Chargers and then, thankfully, everyone would have understood why Patrick, a QB no longer even defendable for his bad play, shouldn’t have the ball late in the 4th.

Stupid Andy for trusting Patrick against the Chargers. If we had a 5D chessgenius brain like this as a coach, Patrick would have never even had the chance to orchestrate his division winning drive against the Chargers.

Welp, that’s about it for this one

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Not going to delve into the merits of the OP itself, but I am curious about this dynamic where people criticize a specific aspect of someone's skillset and people immediately go to the narrative that it's a criticism of their entire existence.

People have criticized Reid in various specific ways over the years, he doesn't pound the rock, he has trouble with time management, he flubs challenges, . . . here it's about the strategy of a highly specific situation.

If people had posted that Reid is not very good at sculpted abs, or cum-gutter hips, would you immediately jump to 'he's a HoF coach, I think he's the most fit, healthy and muscularly toned person in history? Why don't you root for a team with a meathead gym rat like Sean McVay, loser?!?!'

This goes a lot wider than the issue of Reid, it's a debating dynamic I've seen on the rise in a number of venues, and am curious if anyone else has defense or criticism, or championing or denial, or whatever, of it.

Baby Lee spends all of his days trying to find different ways to make the same exact post over and over. That he has problems with the tone or style of a post.

It is actually amazing how much time he spends labring under the weight of not liking "how" people post on Chiefs Planet.

[straycash]

Andy does what Andy does

[lcarus]

It was difficult to foresee the Bengals being able to waste the entire clock in that situation. I think he played it right. They screwed themselves but got bailed out big time. Similar to when we played the Chargers the first time.

Another thing. If they had scored the TD and we matched it, I probably would've been fine with going for 2 over OT.

[D.A.P.]

A+++ seller. Would buy again.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by eDave

I shutter at the thought of what Marty would have done with Mahomes.

Take some of those instances this year when people thought Andy was being too conservative with Mahomes and "not letting Mahomes be Mahomes" and multiply that for the entire duration of Mahomes' career.

That would be Marty with Mahomes.

[HC_Chief]

"Tyreke"?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The current dynamics? No, it's simple mathematics. The only way KC doesn't get the ball back with 50 seconds left is if the Bengals get a 1st and goal from the 1 after the 2-minute warning when playing from the 11.

Or if the Chiefs get called for a defensive penalty... which is exactly what happened and was not exactly a surprising outcome given how tightly the refs were calling defensive penalties.

That needed to be part of the decision making calculus.

Also according to analytics, if the Bengals had scored a TD when it was first and goal after the two minute warning, their win probability would have dropped slightly.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by davewan

Clearly, you'd rather lose with Mahomes standing on the sidelines than give him the chance to go tie or win the game with a couple of minutes left on the game clock.

Absolute insanity.

Analytics show that the odds of the Chiefs winning were close to the same either way. Maybe Andy knows a little more than you think he does. Which is why he is a future Hall of Fame coach and you aren't.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Analytics show that the odds of the Chiefs winning were close to the same either way. Maybe Andy knows a little more than you think he does. Which is why he is a future Hall of Fame coach and you are a shit poster..

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