First Round Targets

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think he’s a backup DE though.

He can start at SDE, and inside on sub packages, hence the appeal.

Don't think he's taking Ingram's job day one.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Don't think he's taking Ingram's job day one.

Oh I meant long term.

But even them, Ingram didn’t play as much on early downs. You’re better off saving him for passing downs if you can.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh I meant long term.

But even them, Ingram didn’t play as much on early downs. You’re better off saving him for passing downs if you can.

I'd have said that before we got him as well.

But man, he made every bit the impact on running downs as he did vs. the pass. I think he's a guy you just start and pull when he's tired. I didn't see any particular area where he was a liability or where he was notably better.

He was a hell of a lot more rounded than I expected him to be and really the only guy on that DL I thought brought consistent effort.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd have said that before we got him as well.

But man, he made every bit the impact on running downs as he did vs. the pass. I think he's a guy you just start and pull when he's tired. I didn't see any particular area where he was a liability or where he was notably better.

He was a hell of a lot more rounded than I expected him to be and really the only guy on that DL I thought brought consistent effort.

Yep, he wasn't the same play I remembered either.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd have said that before we got him as well.

But man, he made every bit the impact on running downs as he did vs. the pass. I think he's a guy you just start and pull when he's tired. I didn't see any particular area where he was a liability or where he was notably better.

He was a hell of a lot more rounded than I expected him to be and really the only guy on that DL I thought brought consistent effort.

Oh yea, he was damn ****ing good against the run too, but I have concerns with his injury history, so I guess you can have him and somebody like Thomas or Paschal split early down reps.

Then have them both on the field on passing downs.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh yea, he was damn ****ing good against the run too, but I have concerns with his injury history, so I guess you can have him and somebody like Thomas or Paschal split early down reps.

Then have them both on the field on passing downs.

He just brought a level of consistent aggression that we simply didn't have. His approached the game with the attitude Clark was sold as having.

He went out there looking to make his opponents life difficult every single snap. Even when he was taken out of a play, he made sure to make the guy across from him work for it.

He just looked like a miserable mother****er to be matched up against. He was like the defensive version of Trey Smith. Smith didn't win every rep, but he made you feel it even when he lost. And if he lost, it was because you beat him and not because he just jaked the play.

Now perhaps additional exposure would make it different for him, but that's such a prideful guy that I just can't see him being a player that takes plays, drives, quarters....even games off. He may run out of gas out there, but he won't pre-emptively pull the chute.

We have far too many veteran defensive players, many of whom were highly paid, who you cannot say that about.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He just brought a level of consistent aggression that we simply didn't have. His approached the game with the attitude Clark was sold as having.

He went out there looking to make his opponents life difficult every single snap. Even when he was taken out of a play, he made sure to make the guy across from him work for it.

He just looked like a miserable mother****er to be matched up against. He was like the defensive version of Trey Smith. Smith didn't win every rep, but he made you feel it even when he lost. And if he lost, it was because you beat him and not because he just jaked the play.

Now perhaps additional exposure would make it different for him, but that's such a prideful guy that I just can't see him being a player that takes plays, drives, quarters....even games off. He may run out of gas out there, but he won't pre-emptively pull the chute.

We have far too many veteran defensive players, many of whom were highly paid, who you cannot say that about.

Well said!

[kcbubb]

I really like paschal. He looks quick and strong, uses his hands well.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He just brought a level of consistent aggression that we simply didn't have. His approached the game with the attitude Clark was sold as having.

He went out there looking to make his opponents life difficult every single snap. Even when he was taken out of a play, he made sure to make the guy across from him work for it.

He just looked like a miserable mother****er to be matched up against. He was like the defensive version of Trey Smith. Smith didn't win every rep, but he made you feel it even when he lost. And if he lost, it was because you beat him and not because he just jaked the play.

Now perhaps additional exposure would make it different for him, but that's such a prideful guy that I just can't see him being a player that takes plays, drives, quarters....even games off. He may run out of gas out there, but he won't pre-emptively pull the chute.

We have far too many veteran defensive players, many of whom were highly paid, who you cannot say that about.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I really like paschal. He looks quick and strong, uses his hands well.

Engabare is a similar sort of player.

Not sure he managed to test himself into the late 3rd, but he may be worth moving up for if he's still there in the mid-3rd. I don't know that I'd jump in the 2nd, though the rest of the draft could change my mind.

Very much a pure SDE sort of player. Not terribly dynamic but technically sound and powerful. Good punch, good plan as a pass-rusher. Not a terribly high ceiling but probably a good floor and solid contributor fairly early on.

And as I've said elsewhere, a 'pure' SDE would really free us up to target a dedicated edge rusher elsewhere and lean into those under fronts that can free up your weakside DE to make some noise.

Hell, given the state of our DL, we may even be better served w/ a 3-4 sort of alignment next season. It would be easier to find a stand-up edge rusher at OLB than a strict 3-down DE. And if you have Ingram back, he can do that job and probably even kick down to a 3-tech at this stage of his career. We know Jones can make an impact as a 3-tech and Nnadi would be an adequate 0.