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Old 03-26-2022, 10:58 AM  
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The roster as it stands
My 2022 Game 1 roster guesses:

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buechele
RB - CEH/McKinnon/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - MVS/ Hardman/Watson
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Fountain OR Coleman
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Wylie/Christian
RG - Smith/Caliendo
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretii
LT - OBJ

O = 26

LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Dunlap
WLB - Bolton/Harris
MLB - Gay/Carter
SLB - Lee/Chenal
LCB - McDuffie/Fenton/Lammons
RCB - Sneed/Williams/Watson
SS - Reid/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush

D = 24

ST
Butker
Townsend
Winchester

PTW- PS
Crum - PS
Franks - Release
Ealy - Release
Fleet-Davis - PS
Jones - Release
Gore - PS
Powell - PS
Gordon - Release
Kinnard - PS
Niang - IR
Bootle - PS
Key - Release
Barcoo - Released
Johnson - Released
Anderson - PS
Kaindoh - PS




Just trying to keep up....makes it a little more clear to be able to see needs/wants

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buchele
RB - CEH/Jones/Gore/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - Hardman/MVS/Coleman/Dieter
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Gordon/Powell/Fountain
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Niang/Wylie/Christian/Kinnard
RG - Smith
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretti
LT - OBJ/PTW
LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Kaindoh
WLB - Harris/Chenal
MLB - Bolton/Carter
SLB - Gay/Lee
LCB - Fenton/McDuffie/Bootle/Watson
RCB - Sneed/Baker/Williams/Barcoo/Johnson
SS - Reid/Key/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush/Anderson

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Old 03-27-2022, 08:01 AM   #91
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I understand. The thing is that you want to act like the draft is anything close to a sure thing and that we'll get contender level play from a bunch of rookies. History says that's not likely to happen. And that's why it sucks having the same/bigger needs than when we started free agency. We won't even be able to develop rookies slowly and at their own pace because we kind of need them to be good right away.
Yeah, unless we get three or four rookies to step into impact roles right away, this year may be a rebuilding one. Veach was able to land Humphrey, Smith and Bolton last year. He’ll need to match that kind of draft.
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Old 03-27-2022, 08:05 AM   #92
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What kind of user name is Phoneix ?

Did you mean to put Phoenix and you're an idiot and misspelled it and now stuck with it?

What is Phone IX = Phone 9 ? Are you some cool rapper named Phone 9 ?

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Old 03-27-2022, 08:09 AM   #93
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I understand. The thing is that you want to act like the draft is anything close to a sure thing and that we'll get contender level play from a bunch of rookies. History says that's not likely to happen. And that's why it sucks having the same/bigger needs than when we started free agency. We won't even be able to develop rookies slowly and at their own pace because we kind of need them to be good right away.
When did I act like the draft was anything like a sure thing? Please find that post of mine indicative of such.

I fully expect 2022 to be a down year for the Chiefs. But I expected that even before the Hill trade because all our divisional/conference competitors had improved dramatically and we had too many holes/too little cap and draft flexibility to comfortably fill them.

At least now I see a vision for the next several years as we re-build the roster, get younger, and prepare for the second phase of Mahomes.

Your expectations were in the wrong place if you didn't understand how much the rest of the conference had done to catch up to us even before the Hill trade and how there was little we were able to do to compensate.

We made 4 AFC Championship games in a row by rebuilding the DL in an ofseason/re-building the OL in an offseason, and this is when the bill for Clark, Thuney, OBJ, etc all comes due. Just as people were wrong to view those as immediate success stories in isolation, people would be wrong to view the Hill trade as an immediate failure in the same way.
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Old 03-27-2022, 08:24 AM   #94
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When did I act like the draft was anything like a sure thing? Please find that post of mine indicative of such.

I fully expect 2022 to be a down year for the Chiefs. But I expected that even before the Hill trade because all our divisional/conference competitors had improved dramatically and we had too many holes/too little cap and draft flexibility to comfortably fill them.

At least now I see a vision for the next several years as we re-build the roster, get younger, and prepare for the second phase of Mahomes.

Your expectations were in the wrong place if you didn't understand how much the rest of the conference had done to catch up to us even before the Hill trade and how there was little we were able to do to compensate.

We made 4 AFC Championship games in a row by rebuilding the DL in an ofseason/re-building the OL in an offseason, and this is when the bill for Clark, Thuney, OBJ, etc all comes due. Just as people were wrong to view those as immediate success stories in isolation, people would be wrong to view the Hill trade as an immediate failure in the same way.
I understand where we stood relative to the division. I now understand that for the next year and couples years after that, we'll likely be in an even worse off space. Which sucks.

I can't believe we had a few years of competing and now people want to go into rebuilding mode already just because competition got better. But then again, you guys weren't in rebuilding mode until Veach traded Hill and you had to cope.


In a week span you guys went from talking about how the chiefs were still better than rivals but now it's all about how we needed to rebuild and shit and how you already expected a down year . You guys made that transition a little too fast for me, I have to take some time to adjust.
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I understand where we stood relative to the division. I now understand that for the next year and couples years after that, we'll likely be in an even worse off space. Which sucks.

I can't believe we had a few years of competing and now people want to go into rebuilding mode already just because competition got better. But then again, you guys weren't in rebuilding mode until Veach traded Hill and you had to cope.


In a week span you guys went from talking about how the chiefs were still better than rivals but now it's all about how we needed to rebuild and shit and how you already expected a down year . You guys made that transition a little too fast for me, I have to take some time to adjust.
I can’t speak for everyone else but I’ve been saying that shit since before FA.
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Old 03-27-2022, 08:35 AM   #96
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In a week span you guys went from talking about how the chiefs were still better than rivals but now it's all about how we needed to rebuild and shit and how you already expected a down year . You guys made that transition a little too fast for me, I have to take some time to adjust.
You guys? Do I need to show you the posts where I said I was terrified about what other teams were doing this offseason?

And who said anything about rebuilding? We couldn’t responsibility pay Hill given the other needs on the team. So we went in another direction to re-tool. They’re not the same thing.

I realize you’re a little, well, slower than most others here so it’s understandable it takes someone like you a little bit more time to adjust.
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Thanks for your breakdowns, Wilson. Other than the loss of Hill on offense, I don't see anyone else we'll miss. I wouldn't mind having McKinnon back, but I'd wait until after the draft.

You can't deny losing Ward hurt. I'm not going to address Mathieu, he's dead to me. I wouldn't be too upset if we resigned Ingram on the cheap, but again no one seems to be knocking down his door.
Ingram. No one mentions Ingram but he was defensive MVP last year imho
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Old 03-27-2022, 09:09 AM   #100
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So you're actually arguing that the current Chiefs receiving corps are fine as is, and are on par with the rest of the divisions??? lMAO
No. You haven’t read a word I have been typing. I said our #2/#3 are better/on par. We don’t have a #1. I have made that pretty clear.
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Ok? And they still have 2 more players who had more yards than Juju and MVS and Hardman. With a lot worse qbs.
When? Last year when JSS missed 12 games?
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What kind of user name is Phoneix ?

Did you mean to put Phoenix and you're an idiot and misspelled it and now stuck with it?

What is Phone IX = Phone 9 ? Are you some cool rapper named Phone 9 ?

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You guys? Do I need to show you the posts where I said I was terrified about what other teams were doing this offseason?

And who said anything about rebuilding? We couldn’t responsibility pay Hill given the other needs on the team. So we went in another direction to re-tool. They’re not the same thing.

I realize you’re a little, well, slower than most others here so it’s understandable it takes someone like you a little bit more time to adjust.
Why can't you pay Hill and still be able to afford other players? Hill is making $23 million a year. Meanwhile we're paying MVS and Frank Clark $18mil each of the next 2 years. Would you rather have Tyreek hill for $23mil or MVS and Frank Clark for $18?

And we would still be able to afford Juju with Tyreek under contract and still have about $15mil in cap space for this year.
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When? Last year when JSS missed 12 games?
Juju had 129 yards in 5 games.

Extrapolated over 17 is 438 yards.


That's abysmal.
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