The roster as it stands

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by -King-

Sure. MVS is a $9 mil cap hit next year. Clark is also a $9 mil cap hit.

I believe DJ made SEVERAL posts breaking down the contract. You can read those to get a full view.

Uhm, we all understood the contract and how it was structured. It's nice that you finally got around to reading about it and figured things out given that you were making arguments based on things you didn't understand. Certainly took you long enough to get up to speed.

You just happened to start by making the argument that Hill this year at X was much better value than MVS, JuJu, and Clark at Y. Unfortunately you had no idea what you were talking about and now keep shifting the goalposts.

It's really not worth the argument.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Uhm, we all understood the contract and how it was structured. It's nice that you finally got around to reading about it and figured things out given that you were making arguments based on things you didn't understand. Certainly took you long enough to get up to speed.

You just happened to start by making the argument that Hill this year at X was much better value than MVS, JuJu, and Clark at Y. Unfortunately you had no idea what you were talking about and now keep shifting the goalposts.

It's really not worth the argument.

It is better value. Hill is a much better player than both of them combined. He gives you elite output for $23 million. MVS and Clark give you average production for $18. And most of that comes from MVS. Clark gives you nothing.

It's like buying a Pontiac Aztec for 800k because you don't want to pay a million for a supercar.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by -King-

It is better value. Hill is a much better player than both of them combined. He gives you elite output for $23 million. MVS and Clark give you average production for $18. And most of that comes from MVS. Clark gives you nothing.

It's like buying a Pontiac Aztec for 800k because you don't want to pay a million for a supercar.

Are you truly so dense that you believe MVS and Clark have anything to do with their decision to trade Tyreek?

Like you can’t possibly be this ****ing stupid.

They didn’t trade Tyreek because they couldn’t afford him this year. They traded Tyreek because they can afford it long term.

God damn you are ****ing reeruned.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Are you truly so dense that you believe MVS and Clark have anything to do with their decision to trade Tyreek?

Like you can’t possibly be this ****ing stupid.

They didn’t trade Tyreek because they couldn’t afford him this year. They traded Tyreek because they can afford it long term.

God damn you are ****ing reeruned.

But they could.


And that's why all of us had us keeping him.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by -King-

It is better value. Hill is a much better player than both of them combined. He gives you elite output for $23 million. MVS and Clark give you average production for $18. And most of that comes from MVS. Clark gives you nothing.

It's like buying a Pontiac Aztec for 800k because you don't want to pay a million for a supercar.

Man, you just really don't get it.

Hill wanted a new deal or wasn't going to play. He wanted the deal he got in Miami. We offered good, aggressive deals, and it wasn't enough. He wanted more than Adams.

so Hill would've been NO value whatsoever to us. If we gave him the deal he wanted, he would've crippled the team moving forward into the next few years.

Talking about Clark's deal just shows that you understand nothing. In 2022, it's like $1m more to keep him than cut him. MVS is not expensive either. You keep insisting that this is MVS and Clark vs. Hill and that's so far from being true it's ridiculous.

You're in full on reerun territory. In fact, you're so far into reerun territory that it's now renamed KING territory.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Man, you just really don't get it.

Hill wanted a new deal or wasn't going to play. He wanted the deal he got in Miami. We offered good, aggressive deals, and it wasn't enough. He wanted more than Adams.

so Hill would've been NO value whatsoever to us. If we gave him the deal he wanted, he would've crippled the team moving forward into the next few years.

Talking about Clark's deal just shows that you understand nothing. In 2022, it's like $1m more to keep him than cut him. MVS is not expensive either. You keep insisting that this is MVS and Clark vs. Hill and that's so far from being true it's ridiculous.

You're in full on reerun territory. In fact, you're so far into reerun territory that it's now renamed KING territory.

Hill would have held out at a cap hit of $21M on his current deal.

MVS' cap hit for this year is less than $5M.

It's just a dumb argument.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Hill would have held out at a cap hit of $21M on his current deal.

MVS' cap hit for this year is less than $5M.

It's just a dumb argument.

Hills cap hit if resigned would have been lowered.


How come none of you were on the "we can't afford that contract" side until AFTER the trade? In fact, some of you had the right numbers (23mil a year) and were adamant that we need to re-sign him and now that same 23 a year would have been too much? Which is it and how come you guys didn't realize this until after the trade happened?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by -King-

Hills cap hit if resigned would have been lowered.


How come none of you were on the "we can't afford that contract" side until AFTER the trade? In fact, some of you had the right numbers (23mil a year) and were adamant that we need to re-sign him and now that same 23 a year would have been too much? Which is it and how come you guys didn't realize this until after the trade happened?

This year.

His cap hit next year is $31M.

Stop focusing on AAV. AAV is meaningless.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This year.

His cap hit next year is $31M.

Stop focusing on AAV. AAV is meaningless.

Yes, they would have changed the structure. They wouldn't have taken only 6 this year and the full 31 next year. You even it out and make it fit your situation.

Tyreek Hill’s #Dolphins Extension
- 4 yrs, $120M
- $52.5M guaranteed at sign
- Another $19.6M in March ’23
- ’23 restructure likely
- 4 yrs, $95.4M practical

Cap Hits
2022: $6.4M
2023: $31.2M
2024: $24.8M
2025: $28M
2026: $50.1M

Full Breakdown: https://t.co/xE4LWx76aE

— Spotrac (@spotrac) March 23, 2022

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by -King-

Hills cap hit if resigned would have been lowered.


How come none of you were on the "we can't afford that contract" side until AFTER the trade? In fact, some of you had the right numbers (23mil a year) and were adamant that we need to re-sign him and now that same 23 a year would have been too much? Which is it and how come you guys didn't realize this until after the trade happened?

Dude your understanding of the deal is severely lacking.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Dude your understanding of the deal is severely lacking.

What part?

Here's the breakdown of it

Tyreek Hill’s #Dolphins Extension
- 4 yrs, $120M
- $52.5M guaranteed at sign
- Another $19.6M in March ’23
- ’23 restructure likely
- 4 yrs, $95.4M practical

Cap Hits
2022: $6.4M
2023: $31.2M
2024: $24.8M
2025: $28M
2026: $50.1M

Full Breakdown: https://t.co/xE4LWx76aE

— Spotrac (@spotrac) March 23, 2022

How much money were you willing to go to to re-sign him? At what point did he get too expensive and would have ruined the chiefs cap?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Man, you just really don't get it.

Hill wanted a new deal or wasn't going to play. He wanted the deal he got in Miami. We offered good, aggressive deals, and it wasn't enough. He wanted more than Adams.

so Hill would've been NO value whatsoever to us. If we gave him the deal he wanted, he would've crippled the team moving forward into the next few years.

Talking about Clark's deal just shows that you understand nothing. In 2022, it's like $1m more to keep him than cut him. MVS is not expensive either. You keep insisting that this is MVS and Clark vs. Hill and that's so far from being true it's ridiculous.

You're in full on reerun territory. In fact, you're so far into reerun territory that it's now renamed KING territory.

I would have gave him that deal he got in Miami. It's $23mil a year. Yeah I would do that for the 2nd best WR in the league that literally alters how defenses line up.


I think you had the same stance until the trade happened. Even when you were presented with the financial aspect of re-signing him, you were still firmly on that side. But now...

What? Did you crunch the numbers again after the trade to see why it was "necessary"?