Kiper: Trading for Jameson with Pitt

[BigRedChief]

Hey draftniks, just watched a you tube of the show get up on ESPN. Mel Kiper was on saying he thought the Chiefs could give the 1st and 2nd round Miami picks to Pitt at 20 and jump up before the Pats and GB and pick Jameson.

What’s the opinion in here on Jameson? Going higher than 20, say 15 or so?

[chiefforlife]

I really like Williams and feel he is as close to replacing Tyreek as we could possibly expect. I really want him to be a Chief!

I also do NOT want to give up ANY of our top 8 picks!

The reason we all got excited about the possibility is that after the injury, we thought he could drop to us. Without that we would never have a shot at him.

If he does drop and hes there when we pick, I'll be ecstatic! This would give Patrick the deep shot, game breaker we lost trading Tyreek!!

If he is gone and we land a guy like Treylon Burks, I'll still be ecstatic! Sure we have a different offense now buts its still going to be incredible!

We have to many holes to fill and this draft is incredibly deep, allowing us to fill these holes with really good, cheap young talent!

As much as I like Williams, I want the team to be better overall even more!

[Kiimo]

I think Philly is going to take him at 19 so it doesn't matter

[Chieftain]

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

I really like Williams and feel he is as close to replacing Tyreek as we could possibly expect. I really want him to be a Chief!

I also do NOT want to give up ANY of our top 8 picks!

The reason we all got excited about the possibility is that after the injury, we thought he could drop to us. Without that we would never have a shot at him.

If he does drop and hes there when we pick, I'll be ecstatic! This would give Patrick the deep shot, game breaker we lost trading Tyreek!!

If he is gone and we land a guy like Treylon Burks, I'll still be ecstatic! Sure we have a different offense now buts its still going to be incredible!

We have to many holes to fill and this draft is incredibly deep, allowing us to fill these holes with really good, cheap young talent!

As much as I like Williams, I want the team to be better overall even more!

I would be really shocked if he was available at 29. Packers would snatch him in a heartbeat with one of their picks. You have to trade a second or third to get him. It's the only realistic option.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

I would be really shocked if he was available at 29. Packers would snatch him in a heartbeat with one of their picks. You have to trade a second or third to get him. It's the only realistic option.

Packers may pass because their QB is 39. If Williams is less than 100% it doesn't help Rodgers in one of his last shots at the brass ring.

[kcbubb]

Probably true but the pack still probably takes a wr.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Probably true but the pack still probably takes a wr.

They almost never take a WR in round 1. They are just like the Steelers. They pluck value in the late 2nd.

The last time GB took a WR in round 1 was in 2002 when they took Javon Walker. That's right, 20 years since the Packers took a WR early. You have to go back another 14 years to get to the next time they did it when they took Sterling Sharpe in 1988.

Don't count on it.

If you want to bet on Green Bay, bet on the offensive and defensive line in the first this year. They need RT, LG, and DE pretty badly.

EDIT: I'd actually be inclined to bet on them trading 22 and 59 to Baltimore for 14 to take Penning. Perrion Winfrey makes a ton of sense at 28 if Wyatt is off the board. At 53 they can swing for a WR per their usual course. I see this as the spot for Watson who kind of fits their tall, fast profile of late.

[kcbubb]

Again, the history lesson is why I like chiefs planet.

Originally Posted by kccrow

They almost never take a WR in round 1. They are just like the Steelers. They pluck value in the late 2nd.

The last time GB took a WR in round 1 was in 2002 when they took Javon Walker. That's right, 20 years since the Packers took a WR early. You have to go back another 14 years to get to the next time they did it when they took Sterling Sharpe in 1988.

Don't count on it.

If you want to bet on Green Bay, bet on the offensive and defensive line in the first this year. They need RT, LG, and DE pretty badly.

EDIT: I'd actually be inclined to bet on them trading 22 and 59 to Baltimore for 14 to take Penning. Perrion Winfrey makes a ton of sense at 28 if Wyatt is off the board. At 53 they can swing for a WR per their usual course. I see this as the spot for Watson who kind of fits their tall, fast profile of late.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

They almost never take a WR in round 1. They are just like the Steelers. They pluck value in the late 2nd.

The last time GB took a WR in round 1 was in 2002 when they took Javon Walker. That's right, 20 years since the Packers took a WR early. You have to go back another 14 years to get to the next time they did it when they took Sterling Sharpe in 1988.

Don't count on it.

If you want to bet on Green Bay, bet on the offensive and defensive line in the first this year. They need RT, LG, and DE pretty badly.

EDIT: I'd actually be inclined to bet on them trading 22 and 59 to Baltimore for 14 to take Penning. Perrion Winfrey makes a ton of sense at 28 if Wyatt is off the board. At 53 they can swing for a WR per their usual course. I see this as the spot for Watson who kind of fits their tall, fast profile of late.

Which teams do you feel are likely to take a WR in the first?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Which teams do you feel are likely to take a WR in the first?

Detroit Lions - I don't see them going WR at #2 but I think it's on the table at 32 or in a trade up from 32. They signed DJ Chark and Amon-Ra St. Brown is a good piece but neither are a viable #1. If they can get a guy that has a chance to be "the guy," then I think they'll take the shot.

New York Jets - They are a popular pundit choice for a WR but I'm on the fence. Corey Davis isn't terrible even if he should be a #2, Elijah Moore looked good as a rookie, and they added Braxton Berrios in the slot. It really comes down to how they feel about Davis. I'm leaning towards they go WR, at least at 10.

Atlanta Falcons - I almost feel bad for Falcons fans. They now have no QB and no WRs. If the Falcons don't feel good about QB, they almost have to go WR. If I'm them, I load up around a future QB this year and get my QB next year when the crop should be much better.

Washington Commanders - Jury is out on whether they'll still go QB after trading for Carson Wentz, but they desperately need someone to take pressure off McLaurin. Curtis Samuel is back in the slot after missing most of last year but Dyami Brown didn't emerge as a rookie and Logan Thomas is very average at TE (and missed 2/3 of 2021 as well). They could look for someone that can take the top off and open things up underneath.

Minnesota Vikings - The Vikes are definitely a long shot to take a WR in 1 but they could look at the success the Bengals had and put another piece with Jefferson and Thielen. Thielen is also 32 and has been knicked up 3 years in a row. They could be a dark horse in the Jameson Williams sweepstakes, honestly. No pressure for him to rush back with them but could give them a really dynamic duo once he gets healthy and would replace Thielen in the long-term.

Houston Texans - They have the who's who of mercenary WRs on board this year with Cooks, Dorsett, and Conley. They also have Nico Collins, who looked okay as a rookie, and Chris Moore. You look at that list and there really isn't a "dude" in there. If they are intent on building with Davis Mills, then go defense at 3 and get him a certified weapon at 13, IMO. I think they take a poke at a true #1 with one of those picks.

Philadelphia Eagles - DeVonta Smith was a nice get last year and Quez Watkins is a fine slot. Having subpar performance from Jalen Reagor and JJ Arcega-Whiteside hurts though. They could really use another guy. With 3 first round picks, they "could" opt to add another weapon even though I see them rebuilding that defense.

Los Angeles Chargers - The Chargers have a full-tilt defense and a good QB plus two good veteran WRs. The iron is hot for them. Keenan Allen is 30 and starts making serious money now plus they don't really have a 3rd guy (2 if you consider Allen their slot). The biggest thing the Chargers could do to compete for a SB this year is add an electric playmaker to that offense.

Arizona Cardinals - I fully expect the Cardinals to go pass rusher but they could opt to replace Christian Kirk early. Rondale Moore is a nice player but at 5'7" 180 he's probably stuck in the slot only. They really need a guy opposite Hopkins, but the question is more about when than if. I won't rule them out, even if I figure it unlikely.

Could come up from 2:

Chicago Bears - The Bears desperately need someone to pair with Darnell Mooney. Equanimeous St. Brown is not starting caliber. They added Byron Pringle from KC but he's not really starting caliber either. The Bears have 39 and 48 in the 2nd, so moving from 39 is more likely than not IMO.

Cleveland Browns - The Browns traded for Amari Cooper but they really don't have much else. Donovan Peoples-Jones emerged as a threat last year but whether he can be a viable starter on the outside or not is yet to be determined. Cleveland isn't afraid to move about the draft, so I could definitely see them adding another threat.

Indianapolis Colts - The Colts are in a similar position to the Bears. They have Michael Pittman but after that??? Ashton Dulin and Parris Campbell don't wow anyone. They can't count on Campbell to stay healthy and Dulin is a relative unknown heading into year 4. It's obvious they are trying to win now by trading for Matty Ice, so they may look to give him more to work with.

[kcbubb]

What’s your guess on how many wrs go in the 1st?

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

What’s your guess on how many wrs go in the 1st?

5

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Stryker

I have to admit, at first I was all in on the guy 100% but, now that the smoke has cleared, I am all in on staying put and using ALL of our draft picks as they lay and see what Veach comes up with for the FUTURE of this team. I can have my wishes for how the draft unfolds but again - keep the picks. This is a great opportunity for us.

Agree. BUT........just depends on how the draft falls as to what we do, staying put or trading up. I think this will be a very fun draft for us and I expect top quality picks !!

[kccrow]

I'm on the fence between 5 and 6 WRs in 1. DL, QB, and OL are going to push these guys

[Couch-Potato]

McShay is projecting Chiefs to #17 for J Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dtInXakqI

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

McShay is projecting Chiefs to #17 for J Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dtInXakqI

McShay also has us taking a RB in the 2nd round.

He's a ****ing idiot.